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    so why is it .. you can find a hundreds of books at christian bookstores about how divorce is wrong .. and hardly any books about how domestic abuse is wrong.. if the church is going to stand against sin .. it better put it's efforts into standing against every form of sin.......
    Dos, I know that many of these Christian books on divorce devote plenty of discussion regarding domestic violence. It's a given that they come out strongly against it.

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    joch if you want to read further on this subject I suggest you might want to check out the following site.. why is it a silent epidemic?

    http://www.christianitytoday.com/tcw...005/11.68.html

    The Silent Epidemic
    Countless Christian women are battered every day. Here's how to respond if you or someone you love is abused.
    By Corrie Cutrer

    Her husband's comments were so routine that for 20 years, Brenda Branson didn't realize she was a victim of verbal and emotional abuse.

    "You breathe too loud," her husband would tell her. "Your smile is silly. You look terrible. Don't you have anything better to wear?"

    It wasn't until Brenda realized his comments weren't true that she approached him. And that's when he picked up a chair and hit her with it. Brenda knew she had to do something, so she went to her pastor. Unfortunately he wasn't equipped to handle domestic abuse; his suggestions about submitting to her husband only made her home life more difficult. "Our church didn't know what to do with us," Brenda says. "They just wanted the problem to go away."

    Brenda got the help she needed by forming a support group with another domestic-violence victim. Then in 1995 she cofounded Focus Ministries, one of the few Christian organizations devoted to helping victims of domestic violence while also training churches on how they can assist members who are being abused.


    You don't deserve what's happening to you. God doesn't approve of any man who beats, controls, or retaliates against his wife.

    According to Detective Sgt. Don Stewart, a retired police officer who handled domestic violence cases for 25 years, one out of every four Christian couples experiences at least one episode of physical abuse within their marriage. In fact, battering is the single largest cause of injury to women—more than auto accidents, muggings, and rapes combined. The American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists reports that 3 to 4 million women are beaten in their homes every year. According to the U.S. Department of Justice, approximately 2,000 women are murdered every year by an intimate partner.

    "Domestic violence has become an epidemic," says Brenda, who is no longer married to her husband. The enormity of the problem, combined with the fact law enforcement officials and church leaders often lack the skills to address it, led Don to author Refuge (New Hope), a book helping victims understand and flee from violence in their homes. "I consider Don to be a missionary who offers hope to hurting women and presents a wakeup call to the Christian community to get involved," says Brenda.

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    joch if you want to read further on this subject I suggest you might want to check out the following site.. why is it a silent epidemic?

    http://www.christianitytoday.com/tcw...005/11.68.html

    The Silent Epidemic
    Countless Christian women are battered every day. Here's how to respond if you or someone you love is abused.
    By Corrie Cutrer

    Her husband's comments were so routine that for 20 years, Brenda Branson didn't realize she was a victim of verbal and emotional abuse.

    "You breathe too loud," her husband would tell her. "Your smile is silly. You look terrible. Don't you have anything better to wear?"

    It wasn't until Brenda realized his comments weren't true that she approached him. And that's when he picked up a chair and hit her with it. Brenda knew she had to do something, so she went to her pastor. Unfortunately he wasn't equipped to handle domestic abuse; his suggestions about submitting to her husband only made her home life more difficult. "Our church didn't know what to do with us," Brenda says. "They just wanted the problem to go away."

    Brenda got the help she needed by forming a support group with another domestic-violence victim. Then in 1995 she cofounded Focus Ministries, one of the few Christian organizations devoted to helping victims of domestic violence while also training churches on how they can assist members who are being abused.


    You don't deserve what's happening to you. God doesn't approve of any man who beats, controls, or retaliates against his wife.

    According to Detective Sgt. Don Stewart, a retired police officer who handled domestic violence cases for 25 years, one out of every four Christian couples experiences at least one episode of physical abuse within their marriage. In fact, battering is the single largest cause of injury to women—more than auto accidents, muggings, and rapes combined. The American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists reports that 3 to 4 million women are beaten in their homes every year. According to the U.S. Department of Justice, approximately 2,000 women are murdered every year by an intimate partner.

    "Domestic violence has become an epidemic," says Brenda, who is no longer married to her husband. The enormity of the problem, combined with the fact law enforcement officials and church leaders often lack the skills to address it, led Don to author Refuge (New Hope), a book helping victims understand and flee from violence in their homes. "I consider Don to be a missionary who offers hope to hurting women and presents a wakeup call to the Christian community to get involved," says Brenda.
    Dos, I'll respond first and I will take the time to read the article later. Battering or spousal abuse is inexcusable by any one at any time. It seems to be such a given or no-brainer that it should never take place that I wouldn't think someone would need counseling for that. If they are of the disposition that allows them to batter then I'm not sure how effective counseling would be. What are they going to say to defend their actions if they hadn't had counseling, "Gee, I didn't know I shouldn't batter my wife"?
    It's seems to fall along the lines of counseling someone against adultery, rioting, looting, murder or the like. Everyone knows these things are wrong (don't they?), I beleive we all have an inate sense of right and wrong.

    There are a lot of unstable people in society that have serious problems and it's a nice thought to think that counseling is the answer to even a small amount of the problems that they heap on those around them with reckless abandon but I'm not so sure it offers much in the way of help.
    Not sure what the answer is Dos as we don't have much, if any, control over the evil desires of anyone other than ourselves.

    Footnote: Not sure why the article read "countless Christian women" are battered every day as it's certainly not a problem that's peculiar to women of the Christian persuasion...more Christian bashing?

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    Footnote: Not sure why the article read "countless Christian women" are battered every day as it's certainly not a problem that's peculiar to women of the Christian persuasion...more Christian bashing?
    Because it's from www.christianitytoday.com? I'm guess that site probably isn't very high on "Christian bashing" either.

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    Because it's from www.christianitytoday.com? I'm guess that site probably isn't very high on "Christian bashing" either.
    Thanks scott, I was too lazy to edit it, I posted first then read the article more thoroughly after, I probably should have done it the other way around.

    Got yours too CD what can I say, ya got me

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    so why is it .. you can find a hundreds of books at christian bookstores about how divorce is wrong .. and hardly any books about how domestic abuse is wrong.. if the church is going to stand against sin .. it better put it's efforts into standing against every form of sin.......
    Going back to this post however, in light of what you just posted, the answer is simple.

    For every book you find that says "divorce is wrong" there are at least five other books that explain and define the sanctimonious love a couple should have. You are just looking in the wrong section because you seem to be looking for books that denouce spousal abuse instead of books that define true love.

    A husband who truly loves his wife will NEVER EVER beat her.

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    So some "Christian marriages" experience the same problems as other marriages and thus invalidates a faith which teaches that those problems are wrong?

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    So some "Christian marriages" experience the same problems as other marriages and thus invalidates a faith which teaches that those problems are wrong?

    No one is perfect... so the odds that a "Christian" does something against the tenets of his/her belief system are 1:1. Now, having said that, if the problem is chronic then it would imply that the person developed a 'spiritual callous' where they were being willfully disobedient to GOD's will.

    In the end, people who truly serve the Lord and are in-tune to the will of the Holy Spirit are less likely to develop a chronic sin... To invalidate the tenets of an entire belief system because of the actions of 'black sheep' is a bit unfair.

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    To invalidate the tenets of an entire belief system because of the actions of 'black sheep' is a bit unfair.
    Hate to change gears... but isn't that also true for Islam, which some Christian "leaders" (I put in quotes because I'm not sure if these "leaders" pass muster for "true Christians") seem to decry as an evil religion?

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    No, its a peaceful religion with violent texts and decrees and coincidentally violent passages and followers.

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