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yeah speedy hit all of 0 threes in as a spur
Agreed that there was little or nothing that could be done about Claxton, Jackson or Hedo. Hedo at the right price, much lower than what he got, still would have brought rebounding and defense against some matchups that the Spurs don’t have now. He had no nuts going to the basket on O and his nuts did shrivel up when it counted shooting from the outside.
Reasons we lost Claxton and Jackson was that they were at the end of their contracts and little or nothing could be done about it short of using the cap space on them and Spurs felt the price was too high. Spurs have been in a position before where their core was young and the team needed to stock key positions with seasoned players to be championship level contenders. Also Pop had inherited a team thin on overall talent. Now the core is mature and many key reserve positions can be stocked by less seasoned players, developmental players, Brown, Johnsons, … . Hopefully now Spurs won’t let developed talent go but use them as resources to build with by trading them when they’re still under contract, a favorable contract to trade with. Every player should be brought in with minimum two year, team option and preferably three year team option. The Spurs reputation for developing players who ultimately end up with good deals should be the incentive for agents to agree. If a Johnson or a Brown is a stud trade him before he’s at the end of the contract for a player needed or one with a lot of potential. Trade him to move up in the draft and pick off a slightly better player with potential, maybe a Dorell Wright. Spurs can even trade rights to overseas talent like Scola which I think will become a trend as Euro players gain greater value. Spurs have possibly the best eye for talent and ability to develop players in the league and this is their tool for the future.
With Parker there are several possibilities;
1) He signs now for a contract that has a built in premium to the Spurs for taking on the risk that he could be injured this year and still end up with long term guaranteed money, that he may not progress and that the CBA may be more favorable to the Spurs if they waited.
or
2) He doesn’t get signed and
a) Spurs do a S&T during the season.
b) He plays out the season and goes on the market where the
i. Spurs resign him
ii. Spurs end up doing a S&T
iii. Spurs lose him to another team by not matching an offer
iv. He ends up signing a qualifying offer, plays out the next year becoming an unrestricted FA.
Of those possibilities the one I don’t want to see is Spurs lose him to another team by not matching an offer and I'm not to crazy about ifhe signs a qualifying offer and plays out the next year becoming an unrestricted FA either.
Last edited by picnroll; 10-02-2004 at 09:26 AM.
yeah speedy hit all of 0 threes in as a spur
Your blind. Speedy and Kerr were the guards that led the team to a championship.yeah speedy hit all of 0 threes in as a spur
What were you watching?
minimum wage and a dozen donuts...the guy chokes in the playoffs, when it matters most. trade his ass. If not for having Speedy in 03, the Spurs would be sitting on one championship.
Ok, I will give him 8-9 million per, but only if he comes up strong in this year's playoffs.
spurs would not have gotten as far with just speedy last year
tp got them there
nets were not prepared for him that is why he was effective
what has speedy done in gs? I think he had one good game maybe......
rehabedwhat has speedy done in gs?
exactly
if spurs did not have tp they would not have even made it to face the nets
speedy was lucky to be healthy the last 2 games against the nets.......
and had tp had not let his success against kidd go to his head speedy would not have even made a big difference
rember rumors were floating around kidd was going to sa at that time
- Picnroll is right in one sense. You can't be thinking "the Spurs are over the cap anyway, so they might as well spend as much money as they can." It does matter. Sign Parker to the max and it could mean that we never see Scola, Javtokas, any MLE free agents, any LLE free agents, Devin Brown beyond this season, etc. For one thing, nobody really knows what the new CBA is going to look like. It's entirely possible that the moves made by the team now will determine how much cap space is available in three years. Even if they do end up being over the cap for the next six years, a maxed-out Parker will certainly limit their ability to make other moves.
- The Spurs have found success during the Duncan years by not overpaying players (with the exception of Rose). They didn't give in to DA. They didn't give in to SJax. And it's arguable that they are better off now. Once you get in cap it's difficult to get out. The farther into it you get, the harder it becomes to create flexibility in the future. Teams don't consistently win by overpaying non-superstars. They do so by making smart financial decisions.
- Parker is still improving and he's already very good. But his playmaking ability and defense can be replaced. His scoring ability would be difficult to replace. But he's still an average playmaker and an average defender. If you're going to pay the max for a point guard, he better be a great playmaker and a great defender. Parker is not.
- If he doesn't begin to show some consistency this season, he certainly won't be worthy of a max contract. As it stands right now, the Spurs don't really know when he's going to play well. When he does, he's great. When he doesn't, Speedy is his equal.
- Beno could turn out to be a good player. If Parker isn't willing to sign for a reasonable amount right now, you hold off on giving him the max until the end of the season. If he has a real breakout year, you reconsider. If he doesn't and if Beno develops quickly, you choose not to overpay him. We won't really know if Parker is worth the max until he gets on the court this season. If he has improved to the point where he is one of the top point guards in the league, he might be worth the max. If he hasn't reached that level after four seasons of starting on a good team, he may never.
- Under no cir stances do you offer Parker a max deal right now. If he becomes great, you can always match after the season. The Spurs need to offer him a contract right now based upon what he's already done and reasonably might do in the future. They can't pay him like a superstar because he isn't one. He might become one, but he might not. Offer him 6 years/$60 million. If he turns it down, play out the season.
- Overpaying non-superstar players is a surefire way to hurt your team's chances of winning in the future. Repeat. Read again. Repeat.
Defense he could use some work on, but his playmaking has been a function of the offense he has to run in SA. When Pop loosens the reigns then Parker seems to do well. The only hope the Spurs would have if they lost him was they could get some talent back in a S&T to use to eventually replace him or perhaps they could land someone in the draft again. Let's see how Udrih does for a season before we think he can replace Parker.- Parker is still improving and he's already very good. But his playmaking ability and defense can be replaced. His scoring ability would be difficult to replace. But he's still an average playmaker and an average defender. If you're going to pay the max for a point guard, he better be a great playmaker and a great defender. Parker is not.
Repeat Brodels' post again. Stick my name at the bottom.
Tony's decision making as to when to score and when to pass is an evolutionary process. But I don't know if it's all his fault, or a result of mixed messages from the Spurs' coaching staff. When Tony is distributing and other players suck, then Tony feels pressure (from himself? from Pop?) to try to score in bunches -- and if he's not hot, that turns into a disaster.
Then there's game when he is told to ease up on scoring and just look to pass. At those times, sometimes he gets befuddled in his decision making process and ends up looking to pass too much even when he has an easy hoop. Once Tony finds the balance of being able to score and distribute, the Spurs will be unstoppable with Tony, Manu and Duncan. The only way for him to find it is for the reins to be loosened a little bit more, so that he can make mistakes yet grow.
I'm a scrooge when it comes to Holt's money. I still believe in max contracts only for superstars. I know Tony isn't looking for max money and I know the Spurs aren't looking to pay it, so it seems that the contract should be worked out this summer. I just hope that Tony's agent and the Spurs' brass don't get caught up in the game of the negotiation and hold off until next summer. You never know what the new CBA is going to bring.
The Spurs have nothing to wait for. The time is now. This is Tim Duncan's prime. I do not care about the 2009-10 season I care about now.
I care about this year, next year, and the year after.
That's why Parker should not get a max dollar deal as of right now.
So how long would Duncan have to wait while the Spurs search for a comparable replacement?
I think the trio Tim-Tony-Manu, they are the future of the Spurs. They are irreplaceable...So they must make a deal to lock Tony for a longest possible contract for maximum price..
You might not find a comparable replacement very soon. But you could find a point guard capable of defending and distributing the ball. And while you're at it, you might be able to strengthen the center position, get some more bench depth, and add some scoring punch.So how long would Duncan have to wait while the Spurs search for a comparable replacement?
I want the Spurs to win now, but if Tony doesn't improve, he'll help limit the team to mediocrity for the remainder of Duncan's prime. If Tony isn't a superstar player, he shouldn't get superstar money. A max contract to Tony handcuffs the Spurs for years to come and they are pretty much stuck with that roster unless they could make some trades.
Can you honestly see Holt authorizing management to use the MLE if Parker signs a max deal? If Parker signs a market value contract, the chances are much better that Holt would spend the money.
I'm not against paying Parker. I want to see him get a good contract and remain a Spur. But he needs to get a contract that reflects the kind of player that he actually is. He isn't a superstar. He's a good point guard.
Offer Parker big dollars. But don't overpay.
Wrong and Wrong. The only irreplaceable player on the Spurs is Tim Duncan. It might be difficult to replace Manu and Tony, but there are other players out there with similar capabilities.
And while it makes sense to lock up Parker for as long as possible, under no cir stances to you give him a maximum-dollar contract now. That's insane. If the Spurs were going to do that, why wouldn't they just wait for the season to end and match a maximum dollar deal next summer?
If he wants to sign for a fair price now, you do it. If he's seeking the max, you let him play out the season and see if he's improved enough to be worth it. You can always match a maximum dollar deal next summer.
what is he worth?
an Gilbert Arenas type contract?
steve nash contract?
bibby jackson type contract?
Remaining Arenas Contract:
Season Salary
2004/2005 9,282,371
2005/2006 10,240,000
2006/2007 11,093,333
2007/2008 11,946,667
2008/2009 12,800,000
for your info I heard he is looking for that type of a contract
I heard the same thing.
I think a 6 year/$60 million contract is in the range of fair. That's in the neighborhood of what Arenas is making.
Arenas signed for six-year/$64M if I remember correctly. If the Spurs can get Tony for that, they should jump all over it.
If the Spurs had shown an ability to land star level free agent then I could see them being prepared to lose Parker. But that hasn't been the case. Obviously the Spurs are good at evaluating talent but I am not sure they can count on finding comparable draft steals to that of Parker and Ginobili.
This is what I was thinking.You can always match a maximum dollar deal next summer.
But at the same time, what if Tony grows a decent amount, but not quite a MAX player? Where does the team draw the line? What if Parker improves and still has some growth left in him, even after season 4? Many point guards do tend to take long to reach their peak and it wouldn't be impossible for him to still have some growth left even after 4 straight seasons of starting.
Lets say Parker is not quite the max player, but still very good and capable of developing into one. What if the team wins the championship and Parker does well -- but in the offseason someone offers the MAX? Problem is you never know how far along a player is on their development curve. You can make guesses, but the situation can get a little iffy. Thats why I guess it would be nice to sign him now for $64 million or whatever.
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