yup
If you want to see some stats that matter on Bowen, here you go ...
Playoffs 2005
Carmelo Anthony
Against Spurs, 19.2 ppg on 42%.
Ray Allen
Against Spurs, 21.5 ppg on 43%. (In the first round he had averaged 32ppg)
Shawn Marion
Against Spurs, 7.8 ppg on 39%. (Over the first two rounds he had averaged over 22ppg on over 50% shooting)
Rip Hamilton
Against Spurs, 16.7 ppg on 39%. (Over the first three rounds he had averaged over 20ppg on nearly 50% shooting)
Great stats Kori.
But, just to play devil's advocate ... the DPOY is a regular season award, not a previous playoffs included award.
I wasn't pointing out why he should get the award. Just pointing out why he's the best defender in the league
Fair enough.
Just making a point.
I am sick of the piston fans using their blinders when they validate Ben as a better defender than Bowen.
Bowen gets my vote...
Not that many Pistons fans have blinders when it comes to Ben. I've seen a lot of Pistons fans on this site and the pistons.com site say Bruce Bowen deserves the DPOY this year.
For DPoY, though?
He'd definitely beat him out for the OPoY award.
Not surprising. You've got a rep for being an anti-Detroit Detroit fan if that makes much sense. Objectionality doen't mean you picking against the homers. It's more to do with giving each guy his due. While both our legitimate top contenders I think our guy should take home the trophy again. His numbers are down from past campaigns, but I wouldn't say he's done anything not to deserve it.
I wouldn't be disappointed if Bowen won. But Ben derserves it every bit as much.
As Kori mentioned before, the thing that impresses me most about Bowen is that he guards all positions other than centers. And he does it effectively.
That's the thing that sets him apart from Ben.
For DPoY, though?
He'd definitely beat him out for the OPoY award.
Buh I'm just going by what number guy Hollinger has said for years now. I don't agree with the numbers assesment. Timmy and Ben are really close in the numbers dept, but Timmy is a more valuable defender for the Spurs than Ben for the pistons.
Guys, this debate is useless.
Ray Allen called Stu Jackson and had Bruce taken off the ballot.
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Well we can argue which one is better defender. It's almost impossible because oif the positions and styles of play.
Now we have two great defenders and we have one vote. Who to pick? The more valuable to his team or the guy who is doing the best job shutting down opponents.
Another thing - best defender - best defender in this season.
To me Bowen is the best this year. As Pistons fans said (well for sure P<S said that) Ben is not having a monster year. And Bowen is doing his job every night. I'm amazed what he did this season cause as I said last year if not this year (2005) then never. Now it is a possibility to get the DPOTY 2006 award.
Ben is strong, but he is mobile. He can go on the permiter and guard in "mismatches", he can rotate fast and Detroit having him out there is a realy blessing to them. cause he makes from those mismatches an adventage for his team.
In other hand we know what value have Bruce.
Tough choice who is a better defender
But easy to me taht this year's DPOTY is BB
And that nancy-boy, Ray Allen.
While Ben and Bruce are the two likely winners this season, both benefit from playing alongside the top two collectively great defensive units in the L. Wallace and Bowen provide intangibles that cannot be reviewed through statistics. Bruce is the premier individual defender while Ben dominates the paint. Big Ben is that one symbol and presence that defines the Pistons yet Bruce is that player that can deflate potential matchup problems from the big time perimeter stars. At the least Bruce should get a DPOY before his career ends and it seems that this will be the year as there have been no clearcut front runners for the award. Artest, AK47, Josh Smith and Gerald Wallace will have their opportunities in the forthcoming seasons- this year goes to one of the veterans that are drifting to the downside of their careers.
Eh, it's close, but I guess this year I'd lean towards Bowen. Ever so slightly.
Say what you wish Zeke...
bowen is a way better defender period
If you can please, tell me in 1 sentence why Ben should win it over Bowen. Forget the stats. thanks
Here we go again
1 sentence, huh? Let's see ...
Ben has more of an impact on more possessions defensively because he blocks and alters shots with help-defense, switches on pick-and-rolls, denies and defends the post when the ball is delivered inside, and when perimeter players shoots, he is rebounding missed shots, while Bruce's primary objective is to deny the best perimeter scorer or make their shots more difficult.
That would be my one sentence without using stats to support the answer. Bruce is very deserving. But, even with his stats down this year from previous years, Ben is also very deserving should he win it over Bruce.
I want my DPOY award!
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