Question: Kings > Mavs?

[RON ARTEST]

The Kings were not an opponent you wanted to go deep with in the first round. Look at how much punishment Artest absorbed and dealt. I have my issues with Ron, but you can't question his effort when he's playing. (It's all the mistakes/bad decisions that lead to NOT playing that are the issue!)

The Kings are on that brink. What they do (or don't do) this off-season is going to make or break this team. The Kings remind me of the Pacers; always in the playoffs, not making the most of their correspondingly late picks, problems with attracting free agents.

Part of the reason that I follow the Spurs is that they have done so well, despite a small market and always picking late. Pro sports are definitely big business, and I am becoming disenchanted with teams that are ripping off their fans. That is, teams that won't commit to winning, get fat on luxury taxes that aren't reinvested in the product on the field, etc., etc. Let's put it this way, I am this close to boycotting the Cubs (after 34 years) because I refuse to line the Tribune's pockets anymore. I will explain further if anyone cares...

do you think the pacers should keep peja? are you happy with him?

[Reggie Miller]

Peja seems like a less effective version of Reggie Miller. Since he has been in the West, I won't pretend to really know his game, but he does not appear to have significant off-the-ball or leadership skills. (It's not exactly fair to evaluate a midseason trade in that regard).

The last thing the Pacers need is another player without a post game who commands a high salary. Cripes, they have too many CENTERS that fit that description. Also, they have to have someone to play 70+ games. The last two seasons have been absolute nightmares. You needed a scorecard because no two lineups were ever the same. If Peja is going to sit, we just can't afford him at any price.

This has been the worst stretch I've ever faced as a Pacers fan. To be frank, the Pacers were never the best team, rarely even the best team in the East. In that brief Jordan-free window when they were still pretty damn good, they couldn't get past Shaq (in either Conference). However, they were consistent and good enough to inspire hope. This is just a mess. I mean, you literally have no idea what to expect from night to night.

Interesting thought: Only the most successful and "safe" (not perceived as encroaching on much NBA territory) ABA teams came in on the merger. Of this group, the Pacers were overall the most successful (most ABA championships, highest average attendance, etc.), yet the Spurs are the only ABA team to ever win an NBA championship. "Logically," it probably should have been Indiana or New Jersey, not the team that has two other NBA teams in its own state. Good job, San Antone.

[Obstructed_View]

bonzi is staying buddy. he said the only way he doesnt resign is if the maloofs dont want him. which they do. he said hes tired of moving. without bonzi? yeah right.

I never said they wouldn't re-sign him. I just said they wouldn't be as good without him, and he will disappear as soon as he gets his money.

[mffl89]

just like a mavs fan to talk about regular season. the suns won more games then the spurs last year but the spurs won it all. regular season means nothing. if webber was healthy we would have kicked your asses. we took you to 7 freaking games without our best player. your out of your mind.

then if the regular season doesn't matter, then why do guys like u bring up the record of the kings since they got artest? i remember reading that people were saying that the king's record since the all-star break were better than the mavs so therefore they are better than the mavs

[pache100]

wow you cant even remember the NBA 3 years ago?

I remember who brought the Larry O'Brien trophy home that year and had a river parade. Everything else that happened that year dims in comparison.

[KingsFanWithoutName]

so are u saying that this years king's team is better than the 02-03 king's team which consisted of bibby,christie,peja,webber,vlade? with a very good 6th man in bobby jackson?
because the mavs did beat that 02-03 team and saying the mavs < kings means that this kings team is better than the 02-03 team
plus this years mavs team is definately better than any other previous mavs team in the past

The Mavs of that year beat a team with a one-legged Chris Webber. Your point is moot.

[NoMoneyDown]

The Mavs of that year beat a team with a one-legged Chris Webber. Your point is moot.

Some people would argue:

Two-legged Webber = One-legged Webber

[MadDog73]

And some people last year argued that Tim Duncan = Chris Webber.

conclusion: some people are stupid.

[NoMoneyDown]

conclusion: some people are stupid.

Judging by Webber's BB career, I'd say some people are smart would be the correct choice.

[Extra Stout]

And some people last year argued that Tim Duncan = Chris Webber.

conclusion: some people are stupid.

That was just one guy.

And he continued the argument this year. Genius.

[KingsFanWithoutName]

The Mavs of that year beat a team with a one-legged Chris Webber. Your point is moot.

Some people would argue:

Two-legged Webber = One-legged Webber

And those people are foolish. Chris Webber in his prime was one of a kind, much like Duncan in his prime.

[KingsFanWithoutName]

And some people last year argued that Tim Duncan = Chris Webber.

conclusion: some people are stupid.

When you look at it strictly by the numbers the two are very similar. Webber career stats: 21 pts 10 reb 4 ast. This year: 20 pts 10 reb 3 ast. Duncan career stats: 22 pts 12 reb 3 ast. This year: 18 pts 11 reb 3 ast.

Statistically speaking this year Webber>Duncan. But that really means nothing as Webber is fishing right now.

[picnroll]

You need to figure in Duncan's defense compared to Webber's. Defense is half the game, in the Spurs case more than half. Include defense and Duncan >>>> Webber.

[SpursWoman]

You need to figure in Duncan's defense compared to Webber's. Defense is half the game, in the Spurs case more than half. Include defense and Duncan >>>> Webber.

And testicular for ude. Do you guys have a measuring system for that?

[KingsFanWithoutName]

You need to figure in Duncan's defense compared to Webber's. Defense is half the game, in the Spurs case more than half. Include defense and Duncan >>>> Webber.

Statistically, defense can only be measured by opp fg% against, and blks and steals. Duncan (.79 stls, 2.4 blks) Webber (1.5 stls, 1.5 blks). Duncan edges out Webber with the points scored against. It is obvious Duncan is overall a better player because a) he holds his opponents to less points, and b) his "team" plays better defense. My whole point in this was to prove that those who said Webber=Duncan were not entirely "stupid".