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    Well because that's not their job, that's Ben only job. Ben plays the C postion which leaves him at the rim 90% of the time. And he avg 11.3 not 12, he avg 2.2 not 2.8.
    I was referring to his averages with the Detroit Pistons, including the 2005-06 season. If you think he just at the basket all the time, you're not watching his games.

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    THATS what defense is all about.
    No, it's actually more basic than that. It about controlling possessions, in essence, the opportunity to score. The only way to get a possession in basketball, sans tips and the beginning of quarters, is if the other team scores. That's the only way to get the ball back.

    So two teams shooting the same percentage in the absence of defense, it's more about getting the last possession than anything else.

    Defense is creating more offensive opportunities for your team. Why in the game I am watching right now, Ben Wallace has stolen an in-bounds pass that led to a 2-point shot by Rasheed, and grabbed an offensive rebound for a Tayshaun Prince 3-pointer. That's 5 points created by 2 extra possessions. The Pistons are up 18-14.

    THAT'S DEFENSE. That's why it's important. Because it controls the opportunities on offense for the opponent while simultaneously getting more opportunities for the team.
    Last edited by Darrin; 05-09-2006 at 06:37 PM.

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    We've read your statements.

    We've yet to read your argument.
    There's really no need for one. It's clearly OBVIOUS

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    Just as another way of looking at this, fellow Piston fans. Someone reminded me not long ago that San Antonio has only one professional team. The Spurs! They are not like most of us and have a football, or hockey, or baseball team. They just have the one pro basketball team. Some of the rest of us can "hang our hat" on the football team if the basketball team is not going well, or the baseball team, or the hockey team. We're not as confined as Spurs fans are. To me it explains their desire to win so bad! Where I am the basketball team does not do so well, but the football team and the hockey team do!! I don't have to be so desirous that my basketball team wins, because I have another that does. I like the Pistons and I am glad that Ben won DPOY and I can see why he did over Bruce because I think there is more to consider than just numbers when you choose someone. But I can also see how the Spurs fans feel. JMO

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    Don't let it be lost that Bruce Bowen was my choice. Just don't rip apart Ben Wallace because he won the award, and Bowen didn't.

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    Just curious. Here's a list of the top 12 playoff scorers to date. Which player would you rather have guarding them, Ben or Bruce? Which would do a much better job? Who would be more valuable?

    1 Gilbert Arenas - 34.0
    2 LeBron James - 33.7
    3 Dirk Nowitzki - 29.0
    4 Vince Carter - 28.9
    5 Kobe Bryant - 27.9
    6 Michael Redd - 27.2
    7 Dwyane Wade - 24.7
    8 Steve Nash - 23.2
    9 Bonzi Wells - 23.2
    10 Richard Jefferson - 23.0
    11 Andres Nocioni - 22.3
    12 Tony Parker - 21.7
    Ben Wallace guards 5 players at once, so it's a bull argument.

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    Ben Wallace guards 5 players at once, so it's a bull argument.
    What the are Prince, Billups, Hamilton and Rasheed doing while Ben is guarding everybody. If Ben was on an average defensive team he wouldn't have the luxury of sniping all the time. Fact is in trying to get by all those other superior defenders a player is vulnerbale to Ben's paoching.

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    There's really no need for one. It's clearly OBVIOUS

    Clearly obvious to whom?

    CLEARLY not the voters.


    Clearly obvious to biased, homer Spurs fans? Ummmmm, ok.

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    Clearly obvious to whom?

    CLEARLY not the voters.


    Clearly obvious to biased, homer Spurs fans? Ummmmm, ok.
    Can I have an opinion. Wallace simply hasn't been the same player as last year. Bowen's play has and IMO his effectiveness on D has been superior of Ben's.

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    dont hate
    congratulate ....

    Big Ben DPOY !!

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    We've read your statements.

    We've yet to read your argument.
    There's really no need for one. It's clearly OBVIOUS
    Thanks spurologist, I've been away.

    It's clear and everyone should know that

    DPOY 2006= Bruce Bowen.

    If you don't know that, you don't watch the Spurs.

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    Thanks spurologist, I've been away.

    It's clear and everyone should know that

    DPOY 2006= Bruce Bowen.

    If you don't know that, you don't watch the Spurs.
    This message strictly for you, not anyone else...

    Bowen lost. Robbed or not, you cant vote, you didnt vote, even if you did vote he still would have lost.

    10 years from now no one is going to remember Bowen as 2nd place. 4 DPoYs in 5 years.

    Count it.

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    Thanks spurologist, I've been away.

    It's clear and everyone should know that

    DPOY 2006= Bruce Bowen.

    If you don't know that, you don't watch the Spurs.
    Big letters don't make it so. If you didn't know that Ben is DPOY, you didn't watch him being handed the trophy.

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    What the are Prince, Billups, Hamilton and Rasheed doing while Ben is guarding everybody. If Ben was on an average defensive team he wouldn't have the luxury of sniping all the time. Fact is in trying to get by all those other superior defenders a player is vulnerbale to Ben's paoching.
    When Ben arrived in the 2000-01 season, the pistons were a teal-clad joke. They had no iden y and weren't even an average defensive team. He put his stamp on it with defense before any of those guys got to town. So even though adding guys like Prince and Rasheed took it to another level, he was already getting it done before those guys got to town.

    By that same token, I'm sure that a great team/teammates/coach makes Bowen look a lot better than if he were surrounded by the merely average.

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    This message strictly for you, not anyone else...

    Bowen lost. Robbed or not, you cant vote, you didnt vote, even if you did vote he still would have lost.

    10 years from now no one is going to remember Bowen as 2nd place. 4 DPoYs in 5 years.

    Count it.
    Bruce is the real DPOY. He was robbed for all his hard work and determination.
    It's a fact. It's like saying Bush is a liar, everyone knows it. No way around it. Simple fact.

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    Bruce is the real DPOY. He was robbed for all his hard work and determination.
    It's a fact. It's like saying Bush is a liar, everyone knows it. No way around it. Simple fact.
    Good. Simple fact....for you. Thats all. Only you and other SA fans that think like you.

    Cruise a national board, dont see everyone crying for Bowen like you.

    (this in no way is including Bush. thats a different forum)

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    Good. Simple fact....for you. Thats all. Only you and other SA fans that think like you.

    Cruise a national board, dont see everyone crying for Bowen like you.

    (this in no way is including Bush. thats a different forum)
    It's Ben's rep, it's that Bruce is in San Antonio. It's ignorance. I see you think Ben deserved it over Bruce.

    If Bruce played on one of those other teams , he would have won at least one by now. You can't deny that.

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    It's Ben's rep, it's that Bruce is in San Antonio. It's ignorance. I see you think Ben deserved it over Bruce.

    If Bruce played on one of those other teams , he would have won at least one by now. You can't deny that.
    My my my, how much you assume. Read much? Or do you just jump into threads posting large, bold letters spamming some inconsequential bull repeatedly?

    If I had a vote, it would have been given to Bowen.

    Im just sick of your whining.

    Happy now?

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    My my my, how much you assume. Read much? Or do you just jump into threads posting large, bold letters spamming some inconsequential bull repeatedly?

    If I had a vote, it would have been given to Bowen.

    Im just sick of your whining.

    Happy now?
    My my, how much You assume. I was being sarcastic and save the "well, you're not good at it" comments. I know you like to try and put others down.

    My point was, if you believe him to be the best this year, it's sad that you're quick to let it go. I'm sick of sellouts like yourself.

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    My my, how much You assume. I was being sarcastic and save the "well, you're not good at it" comments. I know you like to try and put others down.

    My point was, if you believe him to be the best this year, it's sad that you're quick to let it go. I'm sick of sellouts like yourself.
    And arguing about Bowen being robbed on an internet message board will effectively change......what?

    Nothing.

    /thread

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    And arguing about Bowen being robbed on an internet message board will effectively change......what?

    Nothing.

    /thread
    So don't even discuss it because You think so. whatever

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