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A well deserving choice for the award IMO. That guy changes the game.
Hey Spurs fans .............. even though Ben's not on your team, this is a really great interview to listen to.
http://www.mlive.com/pistons/audio/i...o/audio02.html
I know you guys are a little upset about Bowen not gettin' it ........... but, Ben gives some props to Bruce here.
Its a really good interview .......... worth the few minutes.
A well deserving choice for the award IMO. That guy changes the game.
Yea, he's got a couple of those awards that he needs to give back to Bruce Bowen.
I guess... If you look at in the aggregate and say "How can Ben Wallace have won 4 of those yet Bowen not have won once??" then that's a reasonable gripe.
But looking at it year-to-year, which of those seasons should Bowen have beaten him out?
Look Bruce is a of a defender. We all know it. But so is Ben Wallace. I can entertain the fact that Bruce is deserving of the DPOY award. But so is Wallace.
When somebody says Bruce should have won in 2002 or 2003 (probably the best argument) I can understand that. But you can't look at what Ben's done and say he's not deserving either.
It sucks for Bruce, but I doubt he takes it personally.
Anybody have the voting numbers?
Only one can win, and Bruce has been that ONE deserving for a couple of years and he's been robbed year in and year out.
Of course Ben is awesome. But Bruce is the best, and has been for a few years.
Robbery.
2001-02 Ben Wallace became the 4th player to ever lead the league in rebounds and blocked shots (Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, Bill Walton, and Hakeem Olajuwon).
In 2002-03, he averaged more boards (15.4) than any other player since Dennis Rodman in 1996-97, and came a knee injury from becoming the only player to lead the league in blocked shots and rebounds in the same season...twice, not to mention consecutively. As it was, he missed the final six games when Tayshaun Prince hyperextended his knee trying to draw a charge from Tony Parker, and Theo Ratliff tallied 27 blocks in his last 6 games to lose it by 16 blocks.
The argument for Bruce Bowen getting the award was for last year when Big Ben played 74 games, 6 missed due to suspension.
Just curious. Here's a list of the top 12 playoff scorers to date. Which player would you rather have guarding them, Ben or Bruce? Which would do a much better job? Who would be more valuable?
1 Gilbert Arenas - 34.0
2 LeBron James - 33.7
3 Dirk Nowitzki - 29.0
4 Vince Carter - 28.9
5 Kobe Bryant - 27.9
6 Michael Redd - 27.2
7 Dwyane Wade - 24.7
8 Steve Nash - 23.2
9 Bonzi Wells - 23.2
10 Richard Jefferson - 23.0
11 Andres Nocioni - 22.3
12 Tony Parker - 21.7
This season in games I've seen, Ben has guarded LeBron, Dirk, Kobe, Dwayne. That covers a pretty good cross-section of those players. I would take Ben. But I'm a homer.
Rasheed usually takes Dirk as he does Duncan. In fact Rasheed is a better man on defender than Ben. A healthy Wade would eat Ben's lunch full game.
DELETE ME.
flawed argument.
Lets see Superman guard
Duncan
Shaq
Brand
CB4
etc
etc
You get my point.
flawed choice.
^ Sorry. Should have said he did spot duty. The March 28th game at the Palace, Dirk pretty well lit Sheed up (don't have the numbers, but it was mid 20s) until Ben took over on Dirk and shut him down. Ben's defense on Dirk essentially was the difference in that game.
I've seen Ben guard Shaq. Rasho does a better job except the flopping. Yes, let's see Ben guard Duncan. I'd much rather have him guarding Duncan than Rasheed. Unfortuantely Pistons guard Duncan with their better man on defender Rasheed.
If it's a one-on-one game: Bruce Bowen.
1. Kevin Garnett - 12.7
2. Dwight Howard - 12.5
3. Shawn Marion - 11.8
4. Tim Duncan - 11.0
5. Elton Brand - 10.0
6. Troy Murphy - 10.0
7. Chris Webber - 9.9
8. Chris Kaman - 9.6
9. Jamaal Malgloire - 9.5
10. Antawn Jamison - 9.3
11. Lamar Odom - 9.2
12. Chris Bosh - 9.2
Those are the top rebounders from last season (sans Wallace). Who would you rather keep them off the boards - Ben Wallace or Bruce Bowen?
This is a circular argument because we're comparing apples and oranges. That being said, Big Ben still switches on the pick and roll with success.
The greatest 24 seconds of perimeter defense can be broken down by one offensive rebound, which Big Ben just happened to lead the leaugue in.
^better argument.
Good, give Ben the rebounder of the year award.
Wallace blocks shots and scowls. Bowen is slight and reserved. The media, without fail, awards the DPOY award to a big who blocks a lot of shots.
if the Question is who would I rather have Ben wallace or bowen
the answwer is clear I would trade bowen in a secound for ben wallace
I think that's very true. So many DPOY voters look at Wallace's block and rebound totals and consider him the one worthy of the vote.
There should really be an award for the defensive post player of the year and one for the defensive perimeter player of the year. Bowen will never have the "stats" necessary to impress some of the voters that judge talent based on a boxscore.
ughghg would you rather shut down an all star two guard that carries a team or give up a couple of more rebounds
Last edited by Spurologist; 05-09-2006 at 03:49 PM.
Don't forget the hair. He probably got a couple of dozen votes just for the do.
let's keep the trophy delegation as it was at the end of last season. we'll give the pistons the dpoy and keep the championship trophy, deal?
You would think bowen would get some consideration considering he created a new defense called the bear hug
how many defenses has ben came up with?
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