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    If you really did rewatch these plays, you would clearly see Parker stepped on a Mavericks foot and that is what caused the fall. This thread is some serious bull .
    Nope. Parker's foot went under the other guys leg not on top of his foot a la Dirk on Duncan. In the NBA accidental trips like that are still called when they impede the play.

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    Upon further review:

    I just watched the last 5 mins of game 3, and came to the conclusion that the Spurs did get jobbed bigtime. I know in the heat of the moment, we all think calls are bad, but after having some time to calm down, and sit and watch the last 5 mins, I can say without a doubt that the refs are responsible for the Spurs losing this game.

    Here are the calls in question:

    1. On TD's 5th foul, Dirk misses shot, he goes up and grabs O rebound, going over the back of Bowen in the process, knocking him across the lane. When Dirk goes back up to shoot, TD gets called for his 5th foul. TD barely makes contact, if at all. Dirk made 2 FTs

    Result - 2 pts and TD getting 5th foul


    2. Dirk dribbles the ball off his foot, in top of the key area, then tries to retrieve the ball, diving out of bounds, Barry is called for tripping, and the replay showed that Brent was nowhere near Dirk, and Dirk just fell out of bounds. Dirk hits 2 FTs

    Result: -2 pts

    3. 2:54 left, Spurs up 2 pts. Tony clearly gets pushed in the back cutting to the basket and knocked down just as TD passes the ball, and the ball goes out of bounds, resulting in anothet turnover for SA.

    Result: Loss of possession, and possible basket and points.

    4. TD gets 6th foul after Dirk steps on TD's ankle and loses balance. Again, there is very little contact by TD and Dirk was just out of control, and flailing after his loss of balance.

    Result : -2pts and Spurs lose TD for remaining of game which is huge.

    These four HORRIBLE calls, cost the Spurs 6 pts and the services of TD in crunch time. In a one point game, these bad calls determined the result of the game, no doubt about it.

    Cuban's threats paid off again, and it shows that the refs are affraid of Cuban and his tapes that he makes of each game, which shows all the poor calls. Well, I think Peter Holt or Pop need to send the film of game 3 to Stern and the Spurs need to get some decent calls now. Turn about is fair play.
    well, after all the bull the Spurs got away with in game 1, it was only fair we get at least a few calls our way eventually. the Spurs still have gotten more help from the refs than the mavs have over the course of the series.

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    Good thing Spurs are more mature and above all that.
    The fans sure aren't.

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    watch it again. . .

    besides, dude was in the restricted area and made contact with his body as well. It was a foul.
    Duncan was stationary, arm straight up, the other arm on Dirks body didn't push outward but stayed against Duncan's body. Dirk came barreling into Duncan, flailed and the refs gave him his usual bail out.

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    get some new smack and I will , off and Re is so 1993
    You should remember 1993 well. That was the year you were born.

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    Nope. Parker's foot went under the other guys leg not on top of his foot a la Dirk on Duncan. In the NBA accidental trips like that are still called when they impede the play.
    I'm watching it on Tivo right now. Sorry, he tripped his own ass. He clearly stepped on his foot, I'm seeing it on a 62in. plasma.

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    You should remember 1993 well. That was the year you were born.
    This should be nominated for lamest comeback of the year.

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    Duncan was stationary, arm straight up, the other arm on Dirks body didn't push outward but stayed against Duncan's body. Dirk came barreling into Duncan, flailed and the refs gave him his usual bail out.
    It doesn't matter if he was stationary, half his body was in the restricted area, which makes Dirk's "barrelling" totally legal. There was body contact, initiated by Dirk, but that's totally fine and legal too. Why? Because TD was in the restricted area. It's a foul.

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    It doesn't matter if he was stationary, half his body was in the restricted area, which makes Dirk's "barrelling" totally legal. There was body contact, initiated by Dirk, but that's totally fine and legal too. Why? Because TD was in the restricted area. It's a foul.
    CUT AND DRY DIP S!!

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    Eh
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    You should remember 1993 well. That was the year you were born.

    That was really not that bad

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    CUT AND DRY DIP S!!
    I gues it's because Mav fans (and apparently some Kings fans) don't know NBA rules that thy don't get it. Here you go LEONARD

    BLOCK-CHARGE



    A defensive player is permitted to establish a legal guarding position in the path of a dribbler regardless of his speed and distance.

    A defensive player is not permitted to move into the path of an offensive play-er once he has started his shooting motion.

    A defensive player must allow a moving player the distance to stop or change direction when the offensive player receives a pass outside the lower defensive box.

    A defensive player must allow an alighted player the distance to land and then stop or change direction when the offensive player is outside the lower defensive box.

    A defensive player is permitted to establish a legal guarding position in the path of an offensive player who receives a pass inside the lower defensive box regardless of his speed and distance.

    A defensive player must allow an alighted player who receives a pass the space to land when the offensive player is inside the lower defensive box.

    A defensive player must allow a moving offensive player without the ball the distance to stop or change direction.

    The speed of the offensive player will determine the amount of distance a defensive player must allow.

    If an offensive player causes contact with a defensive player who has estab-lished a legal position, an offensive foul shall be called and no points may be scored.

    A defensive player may turn slightly to protect himself, but is never allowed to bend over and submarine an opponent.

    An offensive foul should never be called if the contact is with a secondary defensive player who has established a defensive position within a designated "restricted area" near the basket for the purpose of drawing an offensive foul.

    The "restricted area" for this purpose is the area bounded by an arc with a 4-foot radius measured from the middle of the basket.

    EXCEPTION: Any player may be legally positioned within the "restricted area" if the offensive player receives the ball within the Lower Defensive Box.

    The mere fact that contact occurs on these type of plays, or any other similar play, does not necessarily mean that a personal foul has been committed. The offi-cials must decide whether the contact is negligible and/or incidental, judging each situation separately.

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    The Spurs are too good at finishing at the rack to get calls in this league now. If you go to the basket like Duncan, Manu or Parker and get bumped but make the shot 80% of the time they don't call anything. If you throw your body into the defender and then miss the shot badly (like Dirk did last night, over and over) they seem to give you that call everytime.

    They also have no clue how to officiate post players anymore, since big softies like Nogameski have made them nearly exctinct. Duncan gets held and grabbed by the Mavs untalented group of scrubs and gets no whistles, virtually everyime down the court.

    That's the new NBA rules...
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    I gues it's because Mav fans (and apparently some Kings fans) don't know NBA rules that thy don't get it. Here you go LEONARD

    BLOCK-CHARGE

    A defensive player is permitted to establish a legal guarding position in the path of a dribbler regardless of his speed and distance.

    A defensive player is not permitted to move into the path of an offensive play-er once he has started his shooting motion.

    A defensive player must allow a moving player the distance to stop or change direction when the offensive player receives a pass outside the lower defensive box.

    A defensive player must allow an alighted player the distance to land and then stop or change direction when the offensive player is outside the lower defensive box.

    A defensive player is permitted to establish a legal guarding position in the path of an offensive player who receives a pass inside the lower defensive box regardless of his speed and distance.

    A defensive player must allow an alighted player who receives a pass the space to land when the offensive player is inside the lower defensive box.

    A defensive player must allow a moving offensive player without the ball the distance to stop or change direction.

    The speed of the offensive player will determine the amount of distance a defensive player must allow.

    If an offensive player causes contact with a defensive player who has estab-lished a legal position, an offensive foul shall be called and no points may be scored.

    A defensive player may turn slightly to protect himself, but is never allowed to bend over and submarine an opponent.

    An offensive foul should never be called if the contact is with a secondary defensive player who has established a defensive position within a designated "restricted area" near the basket for the purpose of drawing an offensive foul.

    The "restricted area" for this purpose is the area bounded by an arc with a 4-foot radius measured from the middle of the basket.

    EXCEPTION: Any player may be legally positioned within the "restricted area" if the offensive player receives the ball within the Lower Defensive Box.

    The mere fact that contact occurs on these type of plays, or any other similar play, does not necessarily mean that a personal foul has been committed. The offi-cials must decide whether the contact is negligible and/or incidental, judging each situation separately.
    and the officials took those rules into account and made the call...deal with it!!

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    Well, I'm sure if it was the Kings series and the Spurs had a 32-50 advantage in FT's, you'd feel the same way. But if you look at it logically, and without bias, it's clear the game shouldn't have come to that point to begin with if the Spurs had played 48 minutes, instead of just in the second half.

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    and the officials took those rules into account and made the call...deal with it!!
    So you're saying you don't know the rules and are full of ?

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    So you're saying you don't know the rules and are full of ?
    Yep, you got it...

    Mavs 2
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    Yep, you got it...

    Mavs 2
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    Okay. As long as we know where you and most of these Mavs fans are coming from.

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    Okay. As long as we know where you and most of these Mavs fans are coming from.
    So Dirk received the ball in the lower defensive box???

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    So Dirk received the ball in the lower defensive box???
    Still having a hard time undertanding the rules LEONARD? Maybe you ought to follow some simpler sport like shuffle board or badmiton.

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    Still having a hard time undertanding the rules LEONARD? Maybe you ought to follow some simpler sport like shuffle board or badmiton.
    Not so much...

    The lower defensive box is the area between the 3' post-up marks, the bottom tip of the circle, and the endline. I'll have to go back and look, but I think Dirk received the ball out by the FT line...which would mean that Duncan couldn't have been legally positioned in the restricted area...

    Correct me if I'm wrong...

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    You're wrong.

    Read all the rules. Or take up shuffle board.

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    You're wrong.

    Read all the rules. Or take up shuffle board.
    EXPLAIN to me why I'm wrong...

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    A defensive player is permitted to establish a legal guarding position in the path of an offensive player who receives a pass inside the lower defensive box regardless of his speed and distance.
    BS, how many times have you seen that enforced throughout the season? Regardless of this, every NBA fan knows that even if you get set and have even just the back of your heel on the restricted line the ref will call it a block. And TD had half his ing body in the ristricted area.

    Look, I'm a huge Spurs fan too, but we gotta stop crying like ing babies and play!!

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    Look, I'm a huge Spurs fan too, but we gotta stop crying like ing babies and play!!

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