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    Sure, you get into Pop's doghouse when that contract is held over your head. The Spurs have a nice way of making their personnel decisions out to be the player's fault instead of that of the coaching staff or front office. If Rose's contract was $3 mil a season he'd have never been traded and he would've never been booted out of the rotation. That contract was the beginning, middle and end of why Rose found himself out of SA. And why each of the Spurs are off enjoying one of their 5 summer homes or whatever today.

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    The problem with second guessing things that happend years ago, is that you can never be sure that everything else would have worked out just the way it did. Lets say the Spurs do draft Howard and he turns out to be a bust for the Spurs. Players succeed not only because of their talent, but because of the situations they are placed in. So it is absolutely stupid to go back and think about what you could have had.

    I'm one of the bigger Rose fans in this forum and everyone knows I think Nazr is an absolutely ty basketball player. I think the trade was horrible, but I don't think by any means that if we hadn't made this trade it would have given us a championship or cost us one. There's just no way to tell. You can sit here and debate back and forth what may have happend or what we might do with those draft picks but the only facts are what actually happend. Everything else said in this thread is assumption or prediction.

    This front office hasn't been perfect, but they've done far more good than bad. FAR MORE. We can argue for them to spend more, but the fact is that having a higher budget to work with isn't nessecarily something that will lead you to success. At some point you have to set a limit on what spending can occur in order to help with the decisions and I think the Spurs do a damn good job of doing that. So yeah, the trade was a mistake and it would have been better to get both Nazr and Kurt Thomas in here but whats done is done. Hopefully the front office can work some of their magic this offseason.

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    If Rose's contract was $3 mil a season he'd have never been traded and he would've never been booted out of the rotation.
    Yes to the former.

    Bull to the latter.

    Dude got beat out by whatever old fart came down the pike.

    Teams that are concerned with the tax don't like to pay $6 million do guys who get constantly beat out by old farts and end up playing 17mpg.

    We'll do the same with Barry and Rasho and anyone else who ends up not being worth his deal.

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    This forum celebrated when the Spurs gave up Malik plus those two picks. A few voiced concerns. Oh well, it sucks to be right.

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    Dude got beat out because he knew his days were numbered. Malik was caught in a Catch-22. He was expected to do more by the front office and fans because of the contract, but the coach didn't want him to do more.

    Oh well, that trade a bad basketball move and the Spurs paid the piper for it this offseason. Maybe Spurs fans should stop cheering everytime ownership cuts payroll.

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    This forum celebrated when the Spurs gave up Malik plus those two picks. A few voiced concerns. Oh well, it sucks to be right.
    Damn I can play this game to, I said if we traded Barry and Van Exel for Lebron James we'd win the championship. Oh well, it sucks to be right.

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    If you could ever prove to me that Pop would've played Malik over Horry and Malik would've played at a consistent 2003 playoff level all the time, you might be justified in making this same post every other day.

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    Dude got beat out because he knew his days were numbered. Malik was caught in a Catch-22. He was expected to do more by the front office and fans because of the contract, but the coach didn't want him to do more.

    Oh well, that trade a bad basketball move and the Spurs paid the piper for it this offseason. Maybe Spurs fans should stop cheering everytime ownership cuts payroll.
    Do you share the same love fest for Jaren Jackson??

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    Sure, you get into Pop's doghouse when that contract is held over your head. The Spurs have a nice way of making their personnel decisions out to be the player's fault instead of that of the coaching staff or front office. If Rose's contract was $3 mil a season he'd have never been traded and he would've never been booted out of the rotation. That contract was the beginning, middle and end of why Rose found himself out of SA. And why each of the Spurs are off enjoying one of their 5 summer homes or whatever today.
    if he was not so greedy he could have stayed. he wanted to stick it to sa and used the lakers as leverage. he pulled his shirt over his head and got kicked out of town. you do that in the nba you get traded. END OF STORY

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    Dude got beat out because he knew his days were numbered. Malik was caught in a Catch-22. He was expected to do more by the front office and fans because of the contract, but the coach didn't want him to do more.

    Oh well, that trade a bad basketball move and the Spurs paid the piper for it this offseason. Maybe Spurs fans should stop cheering everytime ownership cuts payroll.

    dude got beat out because he w!as mentally weak and spurs do not keep players like that
    that is why hedo is not a spur!

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    Well, Malik got two boards against Dallas in 18 minutes this season.

    He's definitely the answer.

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    This forum celebrated when the Spurs gave up Malik plus those two picks. A few voiced concerns. Oh well, it sucks to be right.

    most wanted spurs to either play rose 20-25 minutes a game or trade him

    not playing was not good because spurs are not the knicks and can not pay 7 million to the 12 man

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    Well, Malik got two boards against Dallas in 18 minutes this season.

    He's definitely the answer.
    you forgot chump if only he had duncan to hold his hand he could have got more

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    This forum celebrated when the Spurs gave up Malik plus those two picks. A few voiced concerns. Oh well, it sucks to be right.

    But... you're wrong.

    And the fact you value Malik over Howard proves it.

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    Shaq would've fouled out Nazr in fewer minutes.
    Right, but the Malik Rose that suited up for the Knicks the last two years would have locked that fat ass down

    Oh well, it sucks to be right.
    About what? We won a le last year, which we probably wouldn't have with Rose around. How is that right?

    Dude got beat out because he knew his days were numbered.
    So you wish we still were paying 7 million a year to a quitter?

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    So it's settled. Michael Finley starting at the 4 and Nazr Mohammed watching on was preferable to having Malik Rose available and keeping two 1st round picks.

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    About what? We won a le last year, which we probably wouldn't have with Rose around. How is that right?
    Absurd. Mohammed did little to none in that playoff run. Keeping the spot warm until Horry entered the game is not impressive.


    So you wish we still were paying 7 million a year to a quitter?
    When the alternative is starting power forward Michael Finley, um, yeah.

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    The Rose contract saved about enough to sign one MCE player for 3 years.

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    Would Spurs Have Went After Mike Finley If They Had Rose"s Contract On The Books?

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    When the alternative is starting power forward Michael Finley, um, yeah.
    Funny thing is Finley's taller.

    And I think you've been exposed already, 2 boards in 20 minutes vs. Dallas this year for Mighty Malik.

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    ...and Malik's bigger and has played the 4 spot his entire career plus, oh, has proven he can defend against Nowitzki.

    I guess height is all that matters, eh?

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    The Rose contract saved about enough to sign one MCE player for 3 years.
    If that. But you lose out on two potential low cost options to address your needs with the two picks given up.

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    has proven he can defend against Nowitzki.

    I guess height is all that matters, eh?
    Again, any time you want to join us in 2006 instead of hanging out in the 1999-2003 peak years of Malik's career, feel free.

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    When you want to leave the world where Michael Finley is ideal as a starting power forward, let us know.

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    has proven he can defend against Nowitzki
    ?

    MVP Candidate Dirk?

    Not proven.

    2 rebounds in 18 minutes.

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