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The punches after the dude goes down are pretty ed up. Any fight I've ever seen rarely goes past the 1st punch if the 1st punch does that kind of damage.
I've thrown punches after being elbowed before. It ing sucks to catch what you think is an intentional elbow to the face.
I've also thrown a punch when someone undercut Brad really badly. You can really someone up by taking out their legs out from under them, and I hated this guy on top of that.
I've seen lots of Kris close calls. He's mellowed out a lot though. Actually I think lots of us have mellowed out quite a bit. We all used to be way more fired up when we played ball 4-5 years ago.
The punches after the dude goes down are pretty ed up. Any fight I've ever seen rarely goes past the 1st punch if the 1st punch does that kind of damage.
Well you always have to have prosecutable intent. Driving through the lane and plowing someone over is within the confines of basketball so that's not going to happen. Elbowing someone in most cases you can probably get some sort of Dikembe Mutombo immunity because it was in the course of basketball.
Like I said, I'm fine on letting the first punch fly. The after punches are criminal no matter how you look at it. The white kid was layed out defenseless and the black kid still went after him.
He had the intent and then followed through with inflicting physical harm.
Besides all getting huffy-puffy and pushing someone, I've never really done anything else.I've thrown punches after being elbowed before. It ing sucks to catch what you think is an intentional elbow to the face.
I've also thrown a punch when someone undercut Brad really badly. You can really someone up by taking out their legs out from under them, and I hated this guy on top of that.
A push could be considered assault, but not bloody likely to be prosecuted as one. I haven't done anything even in the vending machine of the ballpark that black kid did.
Oh yeah, I've never even seen you get in an actual fight. Thats why I said close calls.
That's just not your typical basketball jarring and pushing...that sh!t is just pathetic...that little f*cker should go to jail...f*cking punching someone face down...what kind of b!tch ass sh!t is that...that's just straight pussy right there...
Tony Limon???
I've played with Kris only a handful of times, and seen him get into it with people. Nothing big - but he doesn't back down, and he's physical as all . Not dirty, though.
I think that the guy just totally over reacted, and I think that someone who would react that way needs some serious help.
I don't know how to explain it other than to say that I would never react that way and I'm pretty sure none of us ever would, he threw something like five or six punches at the guy, who wasn't fighting back and was unconcious on the floor...
People shove during the course of a basketball game...people swing elbows on occassion when they pull down a board and are getting crowded...
What people do not do, is beat on the skulls of unconscious people...there is nothing to justify that kids actions other than mindless rage...
And he did shove first when they were running down the court anyway.
There is no way anyone can justify or apologize for that kid continuing to beat on the other kid after he was unconscious...just throwing the kid on his head could have killed him, but you can excuse that as being unintentional...but when you continue to beat on an unconscious person the only thing left you can do to them is permanent brain damage or death. There is no excusing it.
Basketball might be a rough game, it might be physical game....but it should not be a game where your kid might get beaten to death for shoving someone.
That kid should not be allowed on a basketball court in an organized game ever again...
And the first thing that kids mom needs to do is send a thank you to the father of the kid that got beat for preventing her son from murdering someone...and I gurantee you charges would have been pressed.
The human skull can only take so many blows, it is an organic thing, not a rock...and that kid showed no signs of stopping...
Kevin Willis' shot in Williams was total thug, it was intentional, and if he had crushed Williams larynx with that shot you damn right there would have been ground for legal recourse. Man I was pissed at Willis when he did that. He deserved every bit of that suspension. Even still...Willis didn't knock Williams unconscious and continue to beat on him.
Throwing an elbow, dependa, usually no(although a suspension might be in order)...pushing, no, throwing a punch no, depends on how it was done, usuaally no(although again, a suspension might be in order), throwing someone down on the ground, no(suspension thing again).
I mean come'on...
Is it really that hard to tell the difference between a shove and a punch? Shove's don't hurt...they just piss you off. Punches usually do.
And it's one thing if it's just a punch cause you are pissed in the heat of a confrontation and entirely another if you size someone up, premeditate it with intent to seriously them up.
Throwing the kid down was not that big of a deal, even though that's what did the most damage...it was the way he continued to beat on his limp body.
Continuing to beat on someone after they are unconcious, like Kris said...it's criminal and there was no need for it, and no justification for it. He was out of control and is a danger to other people kids.
Kermit Washington didn't intend to hurt Rudy T as badly as he did BTW...Rudy stuck his face into a skirmish and paid the price for it...the damage might have been worse than what happened in this game, but the intent was not.
If the kid goes into uncontrollable rage like that he shouldn't be allowed around other kids.
Last edited by whottt; 06-25-2006 at 09:32 PM.
The black kid should've just knocked him the out and stopped. To keep on punching was idiotic. If he was trying to protect his rep and come off as a bad ass, a single punch knockout would've made him look better than to continue punching the white kid while unconcious. The white kid got on my nerves at the beginning of the video with all that "Karl Malone" . Seems to me like he "thought" he could get away with that, then the black kid showed him he couldn't.
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