Does Ben Waallace get his # retired by the Pistons?

[Please_dont_ban_me]

Correction, Nash hasn't been there as long as Ben has been in Detroit...but you get the point.

[FreshPrince22]

Yes, he was the foundation of a le team. He will have his jersey retired. There is a reason why he's switching numbers in Chicago.

[Please_dont_ban_me]

Yes, he was the foundation of a le team. He will have his jersey retired. There is a reason why he's switching numbers in Chicago.

Because numbers the Pistons retire are universally retired throughout the league?

[ShoogarBear]

You need a course in logic.

[Obstructed_View]

Oh, and if you think Barkley played D, you've lost all credibility.

If you don't think Barkley was a great defender, you've been watching too much TNT and not enough of his game. He defended Jordan, Shaq and Robinson, and did a goddamn good job of it.

[whottt]

Is Babe Ruth's jersey retired by the Red Sox?

[whottt]

If you don't think Barkley was a great defender, you've been watching too much TNT and not enough of his game. He defended Jordan, Shaq and Robinson, and did a goddamn good job of it.

You're insane...

[Quadzilla99]

Yes. He won 4 DPOYs awards there and got a ring. The real question should be does he make the HOF? If he gets in Rodman has to I think.

[Please_dont_ban_me]

You need a course in logic.

If you say so, sugar.

[Obstructed_View]

You're insane...

Weak, but typical.

[ShoogarBear]

Is Babe Ruth's jersey retired by the Red Sox?

Not exactly sure what point you're trying to make, but I would argue that it's not an analogous situation because:

a) Ruth was sold to the Yankees; he didn't leave
b) Ruth's best years were with the Yankees. Wallace's best years will always be with the Pistons.
c) Ruth achieved far greater immortality (infamy?) in Boston than probably just about any retired number anywhere

You could still make a huge case that Ruth's number SHOULD have been retired anyway, since he remained Boston's greatest left-handed pitcher (and probably in their top 3-4 pitchers ever) for about 70 years.

Maybe if the Red Sux had retired Ruth's number, they could win something more frequently than once every hundred years.

[whottt]

Not exactly sure what point you're trying to make,

That being a great player and even leading your team to championships, isn't justification for that team retiring your jersey...particularly if the post employment relationship is one of estrangement.

but I would argue that it's not an analogous situation because:

a) Ruth was sold to the Yankees; he didn't leave

That part is different, and is a notable difference that I hoped would be mentioned...but it in no way weakens my point and in fact, it strengthens it...

Ruth didn't have a choice about leaving, he might not have even wanted to, and he still wasn't retired...Wallace did have a choice.


Ruth didn't choose to stop being a Sox...Wallace did choose to stop being a Piston. That's a mark against Wallace.....

b) Ruth's best years were with the Yankees. Wallace's best years will always be with the Pistons.
c) Ruth achieved far greater immortality (infamy?) in Boston than probably just about any retired number anywhere

You could still make a huge case that Ruth's number SHOULD have been retired anyway, since he remained Boston's greatest left-handed pitcher (and probably in their top 3-4 pitchers ever) for about 70 years.

You sure could make a huge case for his jersey being retired by the Sox......you could mention several points...including that Ruth still holds World Series pitching records, and very high career era and winning PCT ranking for pitchers, that he set as a Red Sock(x?)

I'll simply point out...that it isn't.

Maybe if the Red Sux had retired Ruth's number, they could win something more frequently than once every hundred years.

And baseball would be the poorer for it.................