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he is undeserving of all those awards...artest should have won DPOY in 05 and 06 if it wasnt for the brawl big baby created...
Does his jersey reside in the rafters? It wouldn't happen if ever till what? 2015?
He was the face of the orginization for 5 years. He came to us from Orlando as a complete unknown. No one expected anything from him when we obtained him from Orlando in the S&T for Grant Hill.
While we thought we were going to be at the bottom of the barrel, Ben's will, effort and hustle brought us to the top of the Eastern Conference.
He was only with us for 6 years, but can anyone doubt his contribution?
Some highlights while a Piston:
Accolades
* NBA Champion: 2004
* 4-time NBA All-Star: 2003, 2004, 2005, 2006
* 4-time NBA Defensive Player of the Year: 2002, 2003, 2005, 2006
* 5-time All-NBA Defensive First Team: 2002, 2003, 2004, 2005, 2006
* 5-time All-NBA:
* Second Team: 2003, 2004, 2006
* Third Team: 2002, 2005
* 2-time NBA regular-season leader, rebounds per game: 2002 (13.0), 2003 (15.4)
* NBA regular-season leader, blocks per game: 2002 (3.5)
* 2-time NBA regular-season leader, total rebounds: 2001 (1052), 2003 (1026)
* NBA regular-season leader, total defensive rebounds: 2001 (749)
* 2-time NBA regular-season leader, total offensive rebounds: 2003 (293), 2006 (301)
* NBA regular-season leader, total blocks: 2002 (278)
NBA records/achievements
* The only player in NBA history to record 1,000 rebounds, 100 blocks, and 100 steals in 4 consecutive seasons (2001-04).
* One of only three players in NBA history to record 150 blocks and 100 steals in 6 consecutive seasons (2001-06) (along with Hakeem Olajuwon and David Robinson).
* One of only four players in NBA history to lead the NBA in rebounding and blocking averages in the same season (along with Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, Bill Walton, and Hakeem Olajuwon).
* The only undrafted player in NBA history to be voted a starter for the NBA All-Star Game.
* One of only two players in NBA history to receive NBA Defensive Player of the Year Award 4 times (along with Dikembe Mutumbo--although, another plus for Wallace is that he hit the mark in 5 years, while Mutumbo needed 6 years to be awarded 4.)
Detroit Pistons franchise records (15)
* Most blocked shots, all-time: 1,297 (20002006)
* Most blocked shots in
o one game: 10 (November 10, 2002 vs. Miami Heat)
o one half: 7 (February 1, 2003 vs. New Jersey Nets)
o one quarter: 5 (March 10, 2002 vs. Indiana Pacers)
o one season: 278 (2001-02)
* Highest blocks-per-game average, one season: 3.48 (2001-02)
* Most defensive rebounds, one quarter: 10 (November 18, 2002 vs. New York Knicks).
* Most rebounds, one half, playoffs: 17 (Game 4, 2003 Eastern Conference First Round)
* Most rebounds, one quarter, playoffs: 13 (Game 4, 2003 Eastern Conference First Round)
* Most offensive rebounds, one game, playoffs: 11 (Game 3, 2004 Eastern Conference Semifinals)
* Most offensive rebounds, one half, playoffs: 7 (Game 3, 2004 Eastern Conference Semifinals)
* Most defensive rebounds, one game, playoffs: 17 (Game 1, 2003 Eastern Conference Finals)
* Most defensive rebounds, one half, playoffs: 12 (Game 1, 2003 Eastern Conference Finals)
* Most defensive rebounds, one quarter, playoffs: 9 (Game 1, 2003 Eastern Conference Finals)
* Most steals, one game, playoffs: 7 (Game 4, 2003 Eastern Conference First Round)
Other
* Member of the 2002 USA Basketball World Championship team.
Year..Age..Team..G ..PPG. .FGP..FTP..3PP..RPG..APG
2000-01 26 DET 80 6.4 .490 .336 .250 13.2 1.5
2001-02 27 DET 80 7.6 .531 .423 .000 13.0 1.4
2002-03 28 DET 73 6.9 .481 .450 .167 15.4 1.6
2003-04 29 DET 81 9.5 .421 .490 .125 12.6 1.7
2004-05 30 DET 74 9.7 .453 .428 .111 12.2 1.7
2005-06 31 DET 82 7.3 .510 .416 .000 11.3 1.9
With the Pistons, he averaged:
7.9pts 12.9rbs 2.76blks 1.56stls 1.63asts 48.2FG% 42.3FT%
I don't think anyone outside of the region will ever understand how much Ben captured the imagination of the Detroit fanbase. He fully represented the people of Detroit. On some level we were the Detroit Wallaces' and not the Detroit Pistons.
His tenure with us was not the longest, but his impact cannot be measured.
I don't know what standards have previously been set by other players or teams, but I'm sure lesser players of a smaller impact have seen their numbers retired.
His offensive numbers, as always, will skew some peoples opinion of him.
IMO, the next few years will greatly impact the legacy he leaves in the greater Detroit area.
If the Pistons are able to uphold their status as one of the better teams in the league, Bens reputation will take a tumble. Out of sight, out of mind. If we can fill his roster spot with a lesser player (Nazr?), and yet still compete, it looks poorly on Bens contribution.
Personaly, I still see us competing. I see us fighting (admittedly a little homerish and naive) for the ECF if not the Finals for the duration of Bens contract with Chicago.
If that happens, the city of Detroit could quite possibly forget his importance to our franchise.
I say we do retire his #. I think his contribution is worthy of placing him among the greats of the franchise.
Taking a forward thinking stance, this question leads me to wonder if Ben truly will wever be a Hall of Famer. But that's left for a different post.
he is undeserving of all those awards...artest should have won DPOY in 05 and 06 if it wasnt for the brawl big baby created...
i agree that ben didnt deserve it this year but artest didnt either becuase he didnt play that many games. artest will get it next year though becuase he was still on the defensive first team this year so can you imagine when hes in game shape and gets a training camp with the team? damn i cant wait.
If #15 hangs in the rafters, so should #3...
Me neither,outside of the heat(and lebron and nash)artest is one of my favorite players(i knda feel identified to him).i like hat he is proud of his defensive efforts,and im sure the kings will have a great season next year.
Retired Jersey: Yes
HOF: two more very good years.
You've basically taken everything that can and needs to be said. I agree 100% about his impact. One of the best in reguards to importance to a team.
nah,no one from detriot should ever enter in the HOF...(yes i know dumars entered)....but he is wwwaaaaaaaaay overrated.
Finals MVP
You should stop talking about things that you know absolutely nothing of...
imo that was the year tim duncan shouldve won it hands down, when both of these clowns were out and about. Duncan also had a good shot at mvp also, but he missed more than 10 games, would not get you any award like dpoy or mvp. still bitter about that season.
more like spurs >>>>>>>>leap year>>>>>>>pistons.
If he would of retired a Piston I think it would of been a lock for him to get his #3 retired but now im not sure. He probaly will because he has done so much for our franchise and I think he deserves it. I just wish he wasnt a Bull.
Isiah Thomas, Larry Brown, Dave DeBusschere, George Yardley, Dave Bing, Bob Lanier, Joe Dumars, Chuck Daly...
I think his number should only be retired in Detroit and I think it will.
If thats the case then I hope Wade never enters either. He was undeserving to be called NBA champion or finals MVP. It was clear as day the refs were helping him win in the finals. I mean he had the same amount of FT's as the who Mav team. And everytime the Mavs tried playing Defense it was a foul but the Heat could hit the Mavs with a bat and it would still be called a clean defensive play. Not to mention Wade using off arms all the time.
None of the Heat players should ever go in the HOF and that includes Shaq too!
Pistons>Heat
Your just a little angry.
There's no point in arguing with him anyway. He brings nothing to a debate or conversation.
not to mention that in 06.. bruce shouldve won DPOY
The way to get to the Pistons' rafters is consistent greatness:
4 - Joe Dumars - 1,018 games (14 seasons)
11 - Isiah Thomas - 979 games (13 seasons)
40 - Bill Laimbeer - 937 games (13 seasons)
15 - Vinnie Johnson - 798 games (10 seasons)
2 - Chuck Daly - 738 games (9 seasons)
16 - Bob Lanier - 681 games (9 seasons)
21 - Dave Bing - 675 games (9 seasons)
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Dennis Rodman:
- 2-Time Defensive Player of the Year
- 549 games (seven seasons) with Detroit.
- 6,299 rebounds (two rebounding les).
- 401 steals.
- 399 blocks.
- 2 NBA Championships.
- 5 Conference Finals Appearances.
- 3 Conference Championships
Ben Wallace:
- 4-Time Defensive Player of the Year.
- 470 games (6 seasons) with Detroit.
- 6,048 rebounds.
- 1,297 blocks.
- 744 steals.
- 1 NBA Championship.
- 4 Conference Finals Appearances.
- 2 Conference Championships.
Keep in mind, Rodman came off the bench for his first 3 1/2 seasons. Now, the divorce with Rodman was ugly, and the Pistons waited 11 seasons to allow another player to win number 10. But if you look at the Pistons' current roster, you'll see that Lindsey Hunter has been wearing number 10 for 3 seasons now.
I'd love to see Ben Wallace's number retired, and he was on his way. But if history is any teacher, the Pistons would have to break their own trends to retire his number. That's probably one of the saddest things stemming from this signing.
BRING BEN BACK IN 2010!!!!
...i'd say no he should not get his number retired since he will end up playing half his career elsewhere. however, anyone who thinks he won't be in the HOF is crazy....does he deserve to be, well thats another question.
I say no way...he ditched you guys for the Bulls...and it wasn't like he spent most of his career there.
If a dude bails for money like that, when the team was making him a fair offer...and he hasn't spent most of his career with the franchise...you can't retire it...he does not deserve to hang up there with Isiah, Joe Dumars, and Bill Lambeir.
He's not as much of a Piston as those guys were.
I mean...exactly where did he show you guys how much being a Piston meant to him?
Ya'll didn't give up on him, he gave up on ya'll.
So no...
The jersey of Ben Wallace should not hang in Detroit. Yes it hurts player and fans...but Ben should have thought of that before he left for $$$$$.
You dishonor the guys that did stick with you by retiring his jersey.
Based on stats alone I'd say yes but you've presented a good arguement for not retiring it.
Tough one. Wait until the dust settles and hope for some more good runs at the le in the near future. Future successes will take the edge off of the hard feelings many have against Ben.
Maybe we can hang it in some obscure place in the Palace...in the mens restroom would be a good start...out of firing range of course.
I say yes because I want to hear Mason do the introduction for Ben one more time. I always dug the way he yelled Virginia Union University.
LOL I got rid of it now. I didn't even think about it till you mentioned it!
I vote yes.
Yes, but they should have retired Worm's number many years ago, as well. Davidson and Tom Wilson hold very long grudges.
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