North Korea....oh no you didn't!

[Yonivore]

It intimates that the reactors were built and are now operational and makes no mention of the delays and shotfalls on the KEDO side

So, they just build nukes and long range missiles instead? Got it.

[ChumpDumper]

I never expect you to get it.

And you never disappoint.

[MannyIsGod]

Yeah, that's why it's pretty much received international condemnation and earned an emergency UNSC meeting to figure out how to respond; because, everyone but American conservatives understand why they did what they did.

Is there a murderous regime you people won't defend?

Reading comprehension is a beautiful thing and reading what you want into something I say is not. I don't know what dictionary lists understanding and defending as synonyms, but not a single one that I own does.

I never said the regime in place in North Korea was a good thing by any stretch of the imagination, I simply pointed out that American conservatives are the only ones who don't understand why North Korea does what it does.

Is there a murderous regime that I won't defend? Sure, I can't stand Israel.

[MannyIsGod]

I never expect you to get it.

And you never disappoint.

Amen.

[gtownspur]

Reading comprehension is a beautiful thing and reading what you want into something I say is not. I don't know what dictionary lists understanding and defending as synonyms, but not a single one that I own does.

I never said the regime in place in North Korea was a good thing by any stretch of the imagination, I simply pointed out that American conservatives are the only ones who don't understand why North Korea does what it does.

Is there a murderous regime that I won't defend? Sure, I can't stand Israel.

Lets see palestinians murder indiscirminanately and hide behind churches, shcools, and hospitals, and when israel retaliates it's ISrael that is the murderous regime.

Howbout this you fat ty . Palestine doesnt start , and israel will not have a reason to invade.

[jochhejaam]

Is there a murderous regime that I won't defend? Sure, I can't stand Israel.

Blind hatred. Is there anyone or anything you despise more than the Jewish State of Israel?

[MannyIsGod]

There are tons of things I dislike more than Israel. But my disdain for the government of that country has nothing to do with religion. You can continue to make it seem that way all you like, however.

[gtownspur]

There are tons of things I dislike more than Israel. But my disdain for the government of that country has nothing to do with religion. You can continue to make it seem that way all you like, however.

Start the list.

[orhe]

North Korea has every right to arm itself when its main rivals have 1000 times more nuke than they have lol...

[MannyIsGod]

Start the list.

Gculo

[SA Gunslinger]

Gculo

[sabar]

North Korea has every right to arm itself when its main rivals have 1000 times more nuke than they have lol...

I'd agree except that N.K. is ruled by a maniac and that our overall goal on this earth should be eliminating nuclear weapons, not allowing them to proliferate (in any country).

[xrayzebra]

North Korea has every right to arm itself when its main rivals have 1000 times more nuke than they have lol...

Bad reasoning on your part. It's main rival, South Korea, has no nukes.
I know you were more than likely referring to the U.S., but again, bad
reasoning. We have no desire or intention of invading N. Korea. That is
until they start there crap about Nukes. In fact we have been aiding them.

Get your facts straight.

[orhe]

Bad reasoning on your part. It's main rival, South Korea, has no nukes.
I know you were more than likely referring to the U.S., but again, bad
reasoning. We have no desire or intention of invading N. Korea. That is
until they start there crap about Nukes. In fact we have been aiding them.

Get your facts straight.

right this is an american owned board and i won't disrespect the admin but im pretty sure w/ what i said... and its not bad reasoning on my part.

any country has every right to arm itself

and how do you say you have no desire of invasion? do you work for the government? do you know what type of government the North Koreans have? do you know the history your country has against that type of government?

[xrayzebra]

right this is an american owned board and i won't disrespect the admin but im pretty sure w/ what i said... and its not bad reasoning on my part.

any country has every right to arm itself

and how do you say you have no desire of invasion? do you work for the government? do you know what type of government the North Koreans have? do you know the history your country has against that type of government?

The Administrator of this board has no influence on what is posted.

A little background on North Korea. It invaded South Korea in July 1950.
The United Nations passed a resolution to defend South Korea. An
Armistice was signed in July 1953 and the 38th parallel was established
to define the two Korea's. Same as before the war.

Last year we pulled most of our troops from the South Korean side of
the demilitarized zone and posted them in the interior of South Korea.
The South Koreans assumed the primary role as defender of their country.

Now during the Clinton administration when North Korea decided they
wanted to have Nukes, Former President Carter took it upon himself to
be the peacekeeper and went to North Korea and made a deal with them
that they could develop Atomic energy but no bomb. Clinton accepted
the deal proffered by Carter and North Korea signed an agreement to that
end. They, North Korea, violated the deal.

At no time have we, the United States or South Korea threatened to invade
North Korea. North Korea has proven itself to be an aggressor nation.
by their actions. Their dictator is, to be blunt, crazy. But cunning in
as much as he can control his population through fear, starvation and
any other means he deems to work.

Letting him have a nuke is like giving a child fire to play with. Someone
is going to get burned badly. Our government, the U.S. is using every
means possible, other than war to solve the problem. Other than rewarding
the North Korean dictator for his actions. Which has happened in the
past. I have no idea how this is going to play out. If China can put any
pressure on North Korea it may work out okay. But they were defied
on the missiles, so I understand.

The one big worry over there should be Japan. If they decide their
security is in jeopardy, which they may well, they could very well change
their cons ution and once again arm themselves. And everyone,
especially, you in the Philippines know what that could mean.

[velik_m]

i'm pretty sure the border is no longer on 38th parallel

[Yonivore]

North Korea has every right to arm itself when its main rivals have 1000 times more nuke than they have lol...

With rights come responsibility. If the international community believes North Korea will be irresponsible with it's "right" to nuclear weapons, the international community can erase them from the face of the globe...if, for no other reason, than to prevent Kim Jong Mentally-Ill from nuking Japan, Hawaii, or South Korea.

I believe that's the current debate. Not whether North Korea can arm itself but, rather, what to do with North Korea if they do. Part of the diplomacy is to convince North Korea that it isn't in their own best interest to continue down the path they've chosen.

[DarkReign]

Sorry to on every drone's parade, but the reality is the "usual suspects" condemn the action (ie the West) while the "other guys" either support or abstain (you know, those other 2 veto holding nations China and Russia).

Regardless of what anyone here thinks of the situation, the reality is your opinion means less than the digital letters it is written in.

Either the USA invades, or nothing changes and the threat grows.

Why is the threat growing? Because the DPRK has sanctions against it which do not allow other nations to trade with it (rightfully so).

They are just positioning themselves to get more than they were before.

I understand why they do it (ie Manny). But I dont defend it (ie Manny). If I were in NK's position, I would probably be doing the same. No one wants to be treated like second rate 'nobodies'. Everyone wants respect, NK has obviously never had it, and only now are they being recognized as a player.

All in all, not too dumb on their part. USA wont do because God knows we dont have the resources. That, and the fact that we dont want to go into war against the Chineese (which is who would obviously help NK out).

Basically, NK has free reign to do as they wish, as long as they dont actually bomb anyone.

Brilliant if you ask me from an objective, removed opinion.

[Yonivore]

Sorry to on every drone's parade, but the reality is the "usual suspects" condemn the action (ie the West) while the "other guys" either support or abstain (you know, those other 2 veto holding nations China and Russia).

Regardless of what anyone here thinks of the situation, the reality is your opinion means less than the digital letters it is written in.

Either the USA invades, or nothing changes and the threat grows.

Why is the threat growing? Because the DPRK has sanctions against it which do not allow other nations to trade with it (rightfully so).

They are just positioning themselves to get more than they were before.

I understand why they do it (ie Manny). But I dont defend it (ie Manny). If I were in NK's position, I would probably be doing the same. No one wants to be treated like second rate 'nobodies'. Everyone wants respect, NK has obviously never had it, and only now are they being recognized as a player.

All in all, not too dumb on their part. USA wont do because God knows we dont have the resources. That, and the fact that we dont want to go into war against the Chineese (which is who would obviously help NK out).

Basically, NK has free reign to do as they wish, as long as they dont actually bomb anyone.

Brilliant if you ask me from an objective, removed opinion.

I love these overly-simplistic, in-the-moment, disregard all other approaches, either/or answers.

In fact, it's not between dealing with North Korea or invading them. In fact, there's been a regimen of controlling the kook in place for quite some time. His launching missiles is probably the result of Kim Jong Mentally-Ill feeling the pinch.

Call it the "Python Strategy"

The Times On-Line now reveals some of the “covert war” elements of s policy designed to squeeze the nukes out of Pyongyang.

The lede:

A PROGRAMME of covert action against nuclear and missile traffic to North Korea and Iran is to be intensified after last week’s missile tests by the North Korean regime.

Intelligence agencies, navies and air forces from at least 13 nations are quietly co-operating in a “secret war” against Pyongyang and Tehran.

It has so far involved interceptions of North Korean ships at sea, US agents prowling the waterfronts in Taiwan, multinational naval and air surveillance missions out of Singapore, investigators poring over the books of dubious banks in the former Portuguese colony of Macau and a fleet of planes and ships eavesdropping on the “hermit kingdom” in the waters north of Japan.

Few details filter out from western officials about the programme, [Probably because the New York Times is too busy working on leaks that damage the President's efforts in Iraq. --Yonivore] which has operated since 2003, or about the American financial sanctions that accompany it.

But together they have tightened a noose around Kim Jong-il’s bankrupt, hungry nation.

“Diplomacy alone has not worked, military action is not on the table and so you’ll see a persistent increase in this kind of pressure,” said a senior western official.

In a telling example of the programme’s success, two Bush administration officials indicated last year that it had blocked North Korea from obtaining equipment used to make missile propellant.

The Americans also persuaded China to stop the sale of chemicals for North Korea’s nuclear weapons scientists. And a shipload of “precursor chemicals” for weapons was seized in Taiwan before it could reach a North Korean port.

Note the date of the Proliferation Security Initiative (PSI)– May 31, 2003. The “python embargo” was becoming a “python strategy.” The financial restriction element is also essential.

As for Japanese military options The London Times says:

The [Japanese] government is already committed to installing defensive Pac-3 Patriot missiles in co-operation with the Americans. But radical opinion in Japan has been fortified by Kim’s adventures.

“The vast majority of Japanese agree that we need to be able to carry out first strikes,” said Yoichi Shimada, a professor of international relations at Fukui Prefectural University.

“I spoke to Mr Abe earlier this week and he shares my opinion that for Japan, the most important step would be for Japan to have an offensive missile capability.”

Such talk causes severe concern to Washington, which has sheltered Japan under the umbrella of its nuclear arsenal since forging a security alliance after the second world war.

Read the entire article, it's very enlightening. It also shows we're not a poorly positioned with NoKo's insane dictator as many would like to believe.

[xrayzebra]

Well, Japan is doing what I hoped wouldn't happen. They are saying they are
thinking about making a pre-emptive strike. God help us all if it happens. China
is going to have to do something either to stop North Korea or defend them and
it isn't going to be pretty.

[TDMVPDPOY]

japan is goin to win once they send out their gundams

[xrayzebra]

My-o-my. Hasn't it gotten quite in here all of a sudden. Hey
dan, where are all your predictions.

[clambake]

If this guy is a kook, he's sure outsmarting our kook.

[xrayzebra]

If this guy is a kook, he's sure outsmarting our kook.

You better hope they aren't kooks. Japan is no laughing matter.
They are dead serious in my opinion. And Japan is not our
kook, if that is what you mean.

[Marklar MM]

Japan gonna go crazy on dem dam North Koreans.