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    Retired Ray xrayzebra's Avatar
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    Interesting articles boutons. But one thing strikes me right off hand. Not one
    word was written about the fact(s) that we, the United States was attacked, not
    once, on 9/11 but many times.

    And yes, many thought that the general population would welcome democracy with
    open arms, and I think you can safely say they did. As witnessed by the way they
    turned out to vote. As stated in the above articles. How this equates to the
    Bush administration being the fall guy I have no idea. Staying the course is our
    only solution to the problem if we expect a free society to prevail in Iraq.

    The problem with the ME as in Mexico is corruption. It is very much ingrained into
    their culture. It has existed since the existence of their world. How that can
    be changed is anyone's guess. I certainly don't have the answer. But you can
    see evidence of it even here in the U.S. Shop keepers, the stop and rob stores,
    who purchased cigarettes they thought had been stolen and no taxes paid. They
    saw nothing wrong with that.

    Like I have said in previous post and said in the article above, religion is the excuse
    used to impose harsh rule, but in truth, money and power are the root of the
    problems. The Mullahs and their henchmen rake in cash and hold on to power by
    any means possible.

    The same in Mexico. Except religion doesn't play the same role. Although the
    church has played a role in the past. Money and power is the name of the game.
    The leftest guy who lost and wont give up without a fight uses the old Communist
    ploy of the poor, which Mexico has plenty of, to gain power. He will throw them
    some crumbs as the dimm-o-craps do here in the US, but never solve the problems.
    Only the poor can solve their problem. And that is by fighting the corruption that
    causes it.

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    Pretty long read Boutons. It is one-sided and gives the president more credit than he deserves. It kinda suggest he might be a forward thinker, and we know he's not. Bush will never be accused of craftiness or cleverness. That's what is missing with this administration. Smart leaders know how to play both sides of an issue to their advantage. With bush, what you see is what you get.

    If there is a God, please help us.

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    ROFL manny... they would crush them even harder now IMO...

    Just read that you thought they were lucky in 67...

    The Arabs/Muslim nations havent had any new parts for their weapons for the most part in the 20 years since the fall of the soviet union.

    They're pretty much screwed if Israel decides it wants a piece.
    Last edited by Sec24Row7; 07-14-2006 at 10:33 AM.

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    UN security council members keep refering to "the destruction of lebenon's infrastructure". Hezbollah is an ingredient of lebenon's infrastructure, therefore it's in the recipe.

    Extremely lucky in 67.

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    Is anybody else watching UN security council meeting?

    Fairly impressed with French ambassador.
    A little shocked by Greece's ambassador

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    Syria still trying to broker a prisoner exchange. Refuses to anwer question if they support hezbollah attacks.

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    Is anybody else watching UN security council meeting?

    Fairly impressed with French ambassador.
    A little shocked by Greece's ambassador
    why?

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    Why? Because this more than just sabre rattling.

    Sides are being drawn.

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    i think USA overstreched itself, they should've just focus on Afganistan and couple of most dangerous terrorists, instead of going into all out war with anything hostile towards US. If they would effectively dealt with couple of worst problems, they would scare others. As it stands they didn't really solve anything. Iraq and Afganistan are a mess just wating to blow up again and no terrorist organizations have been dismantled. It just gives courage to others to stand up against USA and attack it.
    Plus they blew up all the support from international community they had after 9/11.

    The biggest concern for the USA right now must be that the war doesn't spread. If it spreads it will sooner rather than later pull in americans, whether they want it or not. I don't think US can handle another war as easily as they do the one in Iraq.

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    This must be democracy spreading throughout the Middle East and their peoples yearning for freedom.

    Whatever gave BushCo the idea that they could make things better other there by forcing Western-style democracy? It sounds nice, and it wins election, but it is also incredibly stupid and naive.

    No, I am not blaming BushCo for the current mess up. Just the idea that we'll put democracy in Afghanistan and Iraq and then it will magically spread, and we'll all be extra nice to each other.

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    Palestinian election was a democratic election. Hamas.

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    i think USA overstreched itself, they should've just focus on Afganistan and couple of most dangerous terrorists, instead of going into all out war with anything hostile towards US. If they would effectively dealt with couple of worst problems, they would scare others. As it stands they didn't really solve anything. Iraq and Afganistan are a mess just wating to blow up again and no terrorist organizations have been dismantled. It just gives courage to others to stand up against USA and attack it.
    Plus they blew up all the support from international community they had after 9/11.

    The biggest concern for the USA right now must be that the war doesn't spread. If it spreads it will sooner rather than later pull in americans, whether they want it or not. I don't think US can handle another war as easily as they do the one in Iraq.
    LOL, you don't think the U.S could handle another war as easily as the war in Iraq. Are you implying that this was has been easy/successful?

    "Mission Accomplished"

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    Palestinian election was a democratic election. Hamas.
    And they elected terrorists...so, they're paying the consequences of their choice.

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    That's the US discription of their choice. Their discription of US is same.

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    That's the US discription of their choice. Their discription of US is same.
    So, you're claiming Hamas isn't a terrorist organization?

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    Then, are you claiming Hamas didn't cross the Palestinian/Israel border and kidnap an Israeli soldier without provocation?

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    Then are you saying the same about Hezbullah?

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    I never said any of that. You should take some time off, or at least attempt to reboot your hard drive.

    I know you can't help the way you feel about politics. Your a robot. I've never met a republican that wasn't staunch repub. I don't know if it's because their lazy or ignorant or both. For some reason, they have to be in 100%.

    I've never met a staunch democrat, either. See the difference?

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    I never said any of that. You should take some time off, or at least attempt to reboot your hard drive.

    I know you can't help the way you feel about politics. Your a robot. I've never met a republican that wasn't staunch repub. I don't know if it's because their lazy or ignorant or both. For some reason, they have to be in 100%.

    I've never met a staunch democrat, either. See the difference?

    You have never met NBADan? Or does it have to be in person to count?

    I agree 100% about X-ray, and most people like him, but comments like that, baseless, absurd comments, are easily debunked and make you appear to be no better than the people you are attacking.

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    ROFL manny... they would crush them even harder now IMO...

    Just read that you thought they were lucky in 67...

    The Arabs/Muslim nations havent had any new parts for their weapons for the most part in the 20 years since the fall of the soviet union.

    They're pretty much screwed if Israel decides it wants a piece.
    No doubt about that. In 67, however, if the Arabs are led by more capable tacticians, Israel is gone.

    Its all moot either way, Israel kicked the idiots ass and they've dominated ever since.

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    I don't claim to be better than other people! Just smarter!!!!! haha

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    And yes. I was meaning " in person".

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    Okay. So what should the United States stance be on this. Support Israel?
    Help Israel Militarily? Ignore everything and lay low? What would your strategy be?
    And I don't mean bash Bush or the dimm-o-craps. What do you think the best
    plan of action would be on our part.

    Can we do this without the junk or will it just be same old bashing. Look at it
    realistically.

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    Give up on Israel politically and financially. Terroists will back off American interests because of the no longer "brother-in-arms-status" with israel. World will be a better place, except for Israel.



    But that's just me.

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    Okay. So what should the United States stance be on this. Support Israel?
    Help Israel Militarily? Ignore everything and lay low? What would your strategy be?
    And I don't mean bash Bush or the dimm-o-craps. What do you think the best
    plan of action would be on our part.

    Can we do this without the junk or will it just be same old bashing. Look at it
    realistically.
    I had hoped the U.S. would encourage a rational response to the hostage-taking. This is a disasterous overreaction. The "right of Isreal to defend itself" doesn't apply here.

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