Spurs Roster as it stands right now

[El_Mago]

It's two days into the signing period. What team has already used its LLE?

Not every team can use it this year.

I said it does not seem, and I didn't say they wouldn't.

I would think Ludden would have at least mentioned it in the papers if the Spurs were planning on using it. They could very well be saving it for next year.

By the way, if anyone really thought Jak was coming to this team based on the LLE you're out of your mind. He wanted half the MLE at least......if Oberto got that, Jak should of too....Oberto screwed us over by never living up to his contract......yeah, it might of been small, but the Spurs are not going to pay Euro's so easily now....at least until Oberto is off the books....and especially since Euro teams are starting to pay their NBA quality players good money.

[Dalhoop]

If Duncan is healthy and stays healthy *knock on wood* the Spurs are already better than last year, so let's just all calm down...

Holy Cow!

Better?

Wow, I don't know where to start .. BETTER?

Vaughn > NVE?
35yr Bowen, 36yr Horry, 35yr Barry, 33yr Finley > 34yr Bowen, 35yr Horry, 34yr Barry, 32yr Finley?
Elston+Oberto > Nazr and Rasho?

You are kidding right?

[ChumpDumper]

Not every team can use it this year.

But many can -- who has used it?

I said it does not seem, and I didn't say they wouldn't.

I don't think they will unless they sent out some players in a trade.

[Dalhoop]

Bonner won't start.

A team needs to have five on the floor. Now we know who four of the five are ... but who will be the fifth?

[phxspurfan]

team goes where time goes. once again. his performance + some clutch shots or plays = another championship. dont forget how much better he makes everyone around him.

[phxspurfan]

tim^

[Winnipeg_Spur]

Holy Cow!

Better?

Wow, I don't know where to start .. BETTER?

Vaughn > NVE?
35yr Bowen, 36yr Horry, 35yr Barry, 33yr Finley > 34yr Bowen, 35yr Horry, 34yr Barry, 32yr Finley?
Elston+Oberto > Nazr and Rasho?

You are kidding right?

Healthy Duncan >>>>>>>>> Injured Duncan

The rest of the inequalities pale in comparison to this one.

[ChumpDumper]

A team needs to have five on the floor. Now we know who four of the five are ... but who will be the fifth?

If he's not matched, it will be Elson.

[Dalhoop]

Healthy Duncan >>>>>>>>> Injured Duncan

The rest of the inequalities pale in comparison to this one.

Isn't that sort of an "If". Lets say that it is true for arguements sake though. Duncan averaged what vs the Mavs while injured? 35-14 ... something like that? I don't know the numbers but it seemed like he was getting about that.

How much better to you expect a healthly TD to play? Seriously, are you expecting him to do that all years and continue in the playoffs?

[ChumpDumper]

I expect him to play the way he did in the playoffs against Dallas.

His usual dominant self.

If you don't know anything about his injury last season, don't act like you do.

[Dalhoop]

If he's not matched, it will be Elson.

So you are saying it will be

Parker
Manu
Bowen
Duncan
Elston

If Duncan is at PF then the center position is very weak, if he is at center then PF is weak ... Either way the Spurs have a grand total of one big man that has demonstrated that he can play big minutes in the league (Horry is past that point)

And that does not bode well for the upcoming season

[SenorSpur]

Absolutely not. I'm fairly disgusted by it.

I understand getting Bonner. Get rid of Rasho. Sure. But if Bonner starts, we're losing .500 of our games. He ain't much of a player. Williams is nothing more than a contract.

Elson can play physical and is fast or something. He was also one of the worst performers in the playoffs last year. If he's all we get out of this offseason, this will probably be the worst offseason in Spurs' history.

If we get Butler, I feel much better about things. It means we have stolen a very young big man with a very bright future. Excellent.

I don't like that we screwed up the Scola situation, but understand how difficult it was. I can't stand that we screwed the pooch on the Javtokas situation. Not living in SA, I don't go to local games. Otherwise I'd be waving the Lithuanian flag and taunting both R.C. and Elson for every crap play and foul he committs. That's my right as a fan.

If we don't manage to trade for a young wing, we're utterly screwed.

The roster is putrid. After the Three plus Bowen, plus Finley, we're in wretched shape. Barry and Horry are in quantum decline.

Also agree with everything you've pointed out. The current roster looks even worse on paper than it did in my head. WTF is this?

As many have pointed out, the offseason will not be complete until they successfully "nab" one of the aforementioned SFs (R. Butler, Ariza, Woods) - despite what happens with J. Butler and Elson. Do that and get both these two bigs and they should be in good shape.

[ChumpDumper]

If Duncan is at PF then the center position is very weak

And in what way is this a change?

It's not, so you're whining is moot.

Now run along and try to change the rules so you won't lose to freaking Miami again. That does not bode well for the Mavs.

[El_Mago]

But many can -- who has used it?

Don't know, Dumper. I don't keep up with as many other teams as I do with the Spurs. If anyone has, I have not heard of any....plus, teams keeps signings disclosed sometimes.

Bonner won't start.

I was not going to but, Butler as starting because he is not a guarantee yet. Horry is too old to start. So, Bonner was the only one that truly fit.

I'm not putting Duncan at PF, because I believe RC had mentioned that they see Duncan as playing the Center spot from here on out......

Oberto does not deserve to start, and Elson like Butler is not a guarantee.....

Therefore, I just put Bonner as the starting PF....

I imagine if Butler joins we throw the kid into the fire and it looks like this:

Parker
Ginobili
Bowen
Butler
Duncan

[Spurs Dynasty 21]

Roster is VERY old and ass right now that's how it stand


Pop better have some trades up his sleeve

[Dalhoop]

I expect him to play the way he did in the playoffs against Dallas.

His usual dominant self.

If you don't know anything about his injury last season, don't act like you do.

At no point in his career has he played like that in the regular season, now he does do well in the playoffs ... at least against the Mavs anyway .... he kind of faultered vs the Kings ..... I don't think that a 23-10 player can turn it up THAT MUCH at this point in his career.

As for his injury, I was mearly saying that if guy gets 35-15 while injured he should get something like 45-20 when healthy .... Right? Either the injury slowed him ... or it didn't .... I don't think that it did (at least vs the Mavs)

[ChumpDumper]

At no point in his career has he played like that in the regular season, now he does do well in the playoffs ... at least against the Mavs anyway .... he kind of faultered vs the Kings ..... I don't think that a 23-10 player can turn it up THAT MUCH at this point in his career.

As for his injury, I was mearly saying that if guy gets 35-15 while injured he should get something like 45-20 when healthy .... Right? Either the injury slowed him ... or it didn't .... I don't think that it did (at least vs the Mavs)

Again, you don't know anything about his injury, so run along to the rules committee.

[Dalhoop]

And in what way is this a change?

It's not, so you're whining is moot.

Elston and Butler are not even NBA proven at this point in their careers, neither has ever gotten starter minutes for any length of time. Nazr and Rasho have shown that they at least know what to do with the minutes (They didn't do it very well, but they did know)

Now run along and try to change the rules so you won't lose to freaking Miami again. That does not bode well for the Mavs.

I don't think that Miami will make it to the Finals next year. They are in the East, that means that it is not a team to "build against". The Spurs and Suns on the other hand are in the West .... Those are the teams a pay most attention to.

I don't think that rules need to be changed .... I think that they are fine how they are.

[Dalhoop]

Again, you don't know anything about his injury, so run along to the rules committee.

So I take it that you think that his numbers were kept down because of his injury? Even though he played like Superman

[El_Mago]

Duncan's injury was really hard to heal.....he just couldn't sit out for a week during the season and expect it to heal....he needed nearly a complete offseason to even get back to 100%.....come november Duncan should be good to go.

If anything, Bigmen like Duncan don't start hitting their peak until early 30's. I believe Hakeem was MVP, DPOY, and won the Championship at age 34. O'Neal went on the rampage with the Lakers during his very early 30's and now just one a le this year with the Heat.

Duncan is a finese player. He does not rely on athleticism to dominate, and he plays a low post game, and is fundamentally sound. He's not like a SG, or SF....who end up having bad knee's by the time they hit 34. Duncan has taken good care of himself, will be rested, and we still have a lot more to see of him.......

I expect him to pick up his game and come out hungry for a le....

[ChumpDumper]

So I take it that you think that his numbers were kept down because of his injury? Even though he played like Superman

I take it that you know nothing about his injury.

[JGrice02]

Again, you don't know anything about his injury, so run along to the rules committee.

I think he's right. Considering how well Duncan played against the Mavs I don't think his injury bothered him much, especially on offense. He admitted to as much before the series started, saying he felt as healthy as he had all season. Was he 100%? No, but who is at that point in the season?

The Duncan that showed up against Dallas is about as good as it gets at this point in his career (offensively). There was really only one area I thought Duncan struggled in the Mavs series and that was on defense. I don't know that he can play much better on offense. But I definitely think he can be better on defense.

[Winnipeg_Spur]

Isn't that sort of an "If". Lets say that it is true for arguements sake though. Duncan averaged what vs the Mavs while injured? 35-14 ... something like that? I don't know the numbers but it seemed like he was getting about that.

How much better to you expect a healthly TD to play? Seriously, are you expecting him to do that all years and continue in the playoffs?

It's a huge if, just like it's a huge if to expect Dirk to be healthy all year. A player can be hit with an injury (minor or major) pretty much any time, and that can have a huge impact on your season. Just ask the Suns.

It's not all about the numbers. Duncan had a ridiculous series against the Mavs but a large part of that was because they were single covering him with scrubs like Dampier and Diop so it's hard to compare that with his regular season numbers when even injured he sees so many double teams.

The biggest impact his injury and lack of mobility had on him last year was it really hurt his help defense, and as a result it crippled the Spurs defensively. As much as people talk about Rasho, Nazr and going small, Tim is our defensive anchor and so if he is back to his normal defensively dominant self our D will be fine, no matter which random scrub is next to him.

[ChumpDumper]

Elston and Butler are not even NBA proven at this point in their careers, neither has ever gotten starter minutes for any length of time. Nazr and Rasho have shown that they at least know what to do with the minutes (They didn't do it very well, but they did know)

So you don't know anything about Elson either. Why are you here?

I don't think that rules need to be changed .... I think that they are fine how they are.

Then find out a way to not suck so bad against a clearly inferior team. That does not bode well for the Mavs.

[Dalhoop]

I take it that you know nothing about his injury.

I think that your comebacks are getting a little repe ious, you should come up with a new one ... But then again, I am already over it

I expect him to pick up his game and come out hungry for a le....

Good points El Mago

I don't know that he can play much better on offense. But I definitely think he can be better on defense.

Also a good point, though vs the Mavs his defense was not tested much (Dampier and Diop ... you understand)

Tim is our defensive anchor and so if he is back to his normal defensively dominant self our D will be fine, no matter which random scrub is next to him.

It seems like everyone is making good points but ChumpDumper.

I am just not sure that his improvement will be enough to compensate for the rest of the teams slippage.

Why are you here?

One of your posters (uses a different name then the one I know, I guess) pointed this site out to me and said that my posts would spark conversation .... I think that he was right