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Was Jerry West the PG for the Lakers? I was thinking he was the 2 guard but I could be wrong. I know they had Gail Goodrich for a lot of the time that West was there.
Magic and Jerry West
Was Jerry West the PG for the Lakers? I was thinking he was the 2 guard but I could be wrong. I know they had Gail Goodrich for a lot of the time that West was there.
Jerry was was the 2 if memory serves me right ... could be wrong, but Stockton was definately the best pure point guard. Magic was a better player, and for obvious reasons; he could play damn near 5 positions, could score, could pass, could rebound well for his postion, and ran one of the most deadly fast breaks in NBA history. With all that being said, I think Stockton would get the nod for being strictly a floor general and not the total package like Magic. Stockton was also a dead eye shooter, while Magic was more of a scorer.
^Yet he never won a single MVP trophy, unlike a certain Canadian PG
^Yet he never won a single MVP trophy, unlike a certain Canadian PG
I agree.
I don't agree that Nash should have won b2b MVP's ... but Stockton's case was different in that nobody really knew if it was Stockton that made Malone so good or Malone that made Stockton so good because they both started playing with eachother from just about the start. Obviously it was a little bit of both ... but who would you choose if you were a voter? A large, high scoring PF ... or a scrawny, short, white guy of a PG?^Yet he never won a single MVP trophy, unlike a certain Canadian PG
In Nash's case, he went an entire year without the help of the Sun's (supposedly) best player and still managed to lead them to a division crown. So we know who runs that ship.
I needed to go back and edit because you couldn't tell if I was describing Nash/Amare or Stockton/Malone ...
Zeke from Cabin Creek was not a point guard, but he was by far the best passer on the team and the guy handling the ball much of the time. A case could be made for Cousy or Isiah but I personally don't buy it. If Stockton were only the all-time leader in assists I might say Malone made him great. Stock also is the all-time leader in steals. I saw him rattle off points in bunches in crunch time so many times that I believe he could have averaged 20 to 25 points per game without Malone. He just realized that 15 points and 15 assists was better for the team.
He's also the all-time leader in boney elbows thrown.
Yeah, he was a dirty little mother er who hated to lose. I'd take him on my team every day of the week.
Why is it that Stockton Dirty = "tough, hates to lose" and Malone Dirty = "evil mofo, kill him"?
one day you'll be able to.I found that humorous as well. Spurs fans (actually any fans of teams/players with multiple les/rings) only pull out the "ring card" when it fits their argument.
Stockton and Malone complanied to the refs more than any players I've ever seen play as well. It was easier to see this when you saw them in person. Both of them would complain about every friggin call.
Let's see: Isiah's 40 s ches, Joe Klein's crushed nose, Donyell Marshall's cracked rib, Robert Horry's balls, Robinson getting knocked out, Steve Nash's missing front tooth, Shawn Bradley's kicked gut. These are all incidents I remember.
How about when he was in college and hit Dave Ramer with an elbow so hard he had a collapsed sinus and shattered eye socket?
That is a far ing cry from fighting through picks, diving to the floor and hustling for rebounds. The only thing Stockton and Malone had in common was that they were on the same team.
So does everyone on your team. Does that make them dirty?
Easily, Magic and Oscar Robertson. The big "O" was probably the greatest ever.
Calm down, I wasn't calling them dirty. I was just pointing out something I noticed (how much they complained) while watching them play in person several times. I'm with you, I'd take Stockton on my team everytime.
Oh yeah, Oscar Robertson. I knew I was forgetting someone. Never saw him play but I've heard & read that he was the best PG ever.
The biggest travesty in this whole thing is the fact that George Gervin wasn't bolded.
Going to fix that now...
Sheeesh, guy isn't even recognized by fans of his own team....is there any doubt he probably deserves to be higher?
You could argue, easily, that George Gervin is the second or third best SG in NBA history and the only one that clearly ranks ahead of him is Jordan(if you even want to consider Jordan as a 2 guard)...
If you don't, it comes down to Gervin and Jerry West...
Something about that list makes me think back to the summer of 1992 and watching the U.S. Men's Senior National Team run through the world without any real challenge. It's not surprising, when you consider that 10 of the 12 players on that team are legitmately in the top 41 players in the history of the world's greatest league, that 4 members of that team are in the all-time top 12, and that 3 are in the top 6:
#1 - Michael Jordan
#5 - Magic Johnson
#6 - Larry Bird
#12 - Karl Malone
#20 - Charles Barkley
#23 - David Robinson
#25 - John Stockton
#28 - Scottie Pippen
#32 - Patrick Ewing
#41 - Clyde Drexler
What's scarier is that in place of Christian Laettner and Chris Mullin, Team USA could have easily included Shaquille O'Neal (#7) and Isiah Thomas (#21). It was truly magnificent to watch that group play, even against crappy compe ion -- we'll never see anything like it again.
Add me to the list of guys that think Bill Walton doesn't deserve to be on this list....
If Walton gave you 45 games as a starter he was having an Ironman season.
If I am drafting to build a perennial champion and I can see the careers of all the players before they happen...there are probably 50 guys, not on this list, that I am taking before Bill Walton.
A two time champion...with lesser talent.
And Malone blatantly did choke way one of his le chances, right in front of the whole world.
This is a good take...you pretty much owned Shoogar with it...however it's still not good enough to take away your previous bad one concerning the Admiral VS Malone.
Just be sure you remember that when DRob got a second Superstar he finished his career on like a 20 game winning streak against Malone(and Duncan never beat Malone in the playoffs either).
Bill Walton is a no-brainer Hall-of-Famer because the criteria include basketball at all levels and in all countries. And while he had a run of excellent (if incomplete) seasons from 75-76 through 77-78, his NBA career is fairly pedestrian compared to the remainder of the players on the top 50 list. How he made the original list in 1997 is a mystery to me -- I thought then that the Walton and Shaq inclusions were probably the most curious. How he can remain on anyone's top 50 NBA list is beyond me. He'd undoubtedly be a top-5 to 10 collegiate player of all-time, but not NBA.
And I got dogged for saying that Ginobli didn't belong to be held in the same regard are Iceman.
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