50 Greatest Players revised, and ordered

[TDMVPDPOY]

This is a thread i stolen from realgm done by The maryland hat, in ref to http://www.basketball-reference.com/.../hof_prob.html
since there are many old timers on this forum will probaly enlightened a few young members about their views on players who are more deserving or not.

Heres the list:

1. Michael Jordan (North Carolina)
- Drafted by the Chicago Bulls in the 1st round (3rd pick) of the 1984 NBA draft.
- 5x MVP
- 6x Finals MVP
- 3x All-Star MVP
- 1985 Rookie of the Year
- 1x Defensive Player of the Year
- 6x Champion
- 2x Olympic Gold Medalist
- 1x NCAA Champion
- 10x All-NBA First Team
- 9x All-Defense First Team
- 14x All-Star
- 10x Scoring Leader
- #1 Scoring Average
- #3 Points
- #4 Field Goals Made
- #3 Field Goals Attempted
- #2 Steals
- #2 Finals Scoring Average

2. Bill Russell (San Francisco)
- Drafted by the St. Louis Hawks in the 1st round (2nd pick) of the 1956 NBA draft.
- 5x MVP
- 1x All-Star MVP
- 11x Champion
- 1x Olympic Gold Medalist
- 2x NCAA Champion
- 3x All-NBA First Team
- 1x All-Defense First Team
- 12x All-Star
- #2 Rebounding Average
- #2 Rebounds
- #1 Finals Rebounds
- #3 Finals Assists
- #1 Finals Games Played

3. Wilt Chamberlain (Kansas)
- Drafted by the Philadelphia Warriors in the 1st round (3rd pick) of the 1959 NBA draft.
- 4x MVP
- 1x Finals MVP
- 1x All-Star MVP
- 1960 Rookie of the Year
- 2x Champion
- 7x All-NBA First Team
- 2x All-Defense First Team
- 13x All-Star
- 7x Scoring Leader
- #2 Scoring Average
- #4 Points
- #3 Field Goals Made
- #6 Field Goals Attempted
- #1 Rebounding Average
- #1 Rebounds
- #4 Minutes Played
- #2 Finals Rebounds

4. Kareem Abdul Jabbar (UCLA)
- Drafted by the Milwaukee Bucks in the 1st round (1st pick) of the 1969 NBA draft.
- 6x MVP
- 2x Finals MVP
- 1970 Rookie of the Year
- 6x Champion
- 3x NCAA Champion
- 10x All-NBA First Team
- 5x All-Defense First Team
- 19x All-Star
- 2x Scoring Leader
- #1 Points
- #1 Field Goals Made
- #1 Field Goals Attempted
- #8 Field Goal Percentage
- #3 Rebounds
- #2 Blocked Shots
- #2 Games Played
- #1 Minutes Played
- #1 Personal Fouls
- #4 Finals Rebounds
- #3 Finals Games Played

5. Ervin Johnson (Michigan State)
- Drafted by the Los Angeles Lakers in the 1st round (1st pick) of the 1979 NBA draft.
- 3x MVP
- 3x Finals MVP
- 2x All-Star MVP
- 5x Champion
- 1x Olympic Gold Medalist
- 1x NCAA Champion
- 9x All-NBA First Team
- 12x All-Star
- #1 Assist Average
- #3 Assists
- #1 Finals Assists

6. Larry Bird (Indiana State)
- Drafted by the Boston Celtics in the 1st round (6th pick) of the 1978 NBA draft.
- 3x MVP
- 2x Finals MVP
- 1x All-Star MVP
- 1980 Rookie of the Year
- 3x Champion
- 1x Olympic Gold Medalist
- 9x All-NBA First Team
- 12x All-Star
- #9 Free Throw Percentage

7. Shaquille O'Neal (LSU)
- Drafted by the Orlando Magic in the 1st round (1st pick) of the 1992 NBA draft.
- 1x MVP
- 3x Finals MVP
- 2x All-Star MVP
- 1993 Rookie of the Year
- 4x Champion
- 1x Olympic Gold Medalist
- 8x All-NBA First Team
- 13x All-Star
- 2x Scoring Leader
- #6 Scoring Average
- #3 Field Goal Percentage
- #10 Field Goals Made
- #8 Blocked Shots

8. Bob Pet (LSU)
- Drafted by the Milwaukee Hawks in the 1st round (2nd pick) of the 1954 NBA draft.
- 2x MVP
- 4x All-Star MVP
- 1955 Rookie of the Year
- 1x Champion
- 10x All-NBA First Team
- 11x All-Star
- 2x Scoring Leader
- #7 Scoring Average
- #3 Rebounding Average

9. Oscar Robertson (Cincinatti)
- Drafted by the Cincinnati Royals in the 1st round (1st pick) of the 1960 NBA draft.
- 1x MVP
- 3x All-Star MVP
- 1961 Rookie of the Year
- 1x Champion
- 1x Olympic Gold Medalist
- 2x NCAA Champion
- 9x All-NBA First Team
- 12x All-Star
- #10 Scoring Average
- #8 Points
- #3 Assist Average
- #4 Assists

10. George Mikan (DePaul)
- 1x All-Star MVP
- 5x Champion
- 6x All-NBA First Team
- 4x All-Star
- 3x Scoring Leader
- #10 Rebounding Average

11. Jerry West (West Virginia)
- Drafted by the Los Angeles Lakers in the 1st round (2nd pick) of the 1960 NBA draft.
- 1x Finals MVP
- 1x All-Star MVP
- 1x Champion
- 1x Olympic Gold Medalist
- 10x All-NBA First Team
- 4x All-Defense First Team
- 13x All-Star
- 1x Scoring Leader
- #5 Scoring Average
- #4 Finals Scoring Average
- #4 Finals Assists
- #4 Finals Games Played

12. Karl Malone (Louisiana Tech)
- Drafted by the Utah Jazz in the 1st round (13th pick) of the 1985 NBA draft.
- 2x MVP
- 2x All-Star MVP
- 2x Olympic Gold Medalist
- 11x All-NBA First Team
- 3x All-Defense First Team
- 13x All-Star
- #2 Points
- #2 Field Goals Made
- #2 Field Goals Attempted
- #9 Steals
- #4 Games Played
- #2 Minutes Played
- #2 Personal Fouls

13. Elgin Baylor (Seattle)
- Drafted by the Minneapolis Lakers in the 1st round (1st pick) of the 1958 NBA draft.
- 1x All-Star MVP
- 1959 Rookie of the Year
- 10x All-NBA First Team
- 11x All-Star
- #4 Scoring Average
- #10 Field Goals Attempted
- #9 Rebounding Average
- #7 Finals Scoring Average
- #3 Finals Rebounds

14. Bob Cousy (Holy Cross)
- Drafted by the Tri-Cities Blackhawks in the 1st round (4th pick) of the 1950 NBA draft.
- 1x MVP
- 2x All-Star MVP
- 6x Champion
- 10x All-NBA First Team
- 13x All-Star
- #2 Finals Assists

15. Julius Erving (UMass)
- Drafted by the Milwaukee Bucks in the 1st round (12th pick) of the 1972 NBA draft.
- 1x MVP
- 3x ABA MVP
- 2x ABA Finals MVP
- 2x All-Star MVP
- 1x Champion
- 5x All-NBA First Team
- 4x All-ABA First Team
- 1x All-Defense First Team (ABA)
- 16x All-Star
- #8 Finals Scoring Average

16. Hakeem Olajuwon (Houston)
- Drafted by the Houston Rockets in the 1st round (1st pick) of the 1984 NBA draft.
- 1x MVP
- 2x Finals MVP
- 2x Defensive Player of the Year
- 2x Champion
- 1x Olympic Gold Medalist
- 6x All-NBA First Team
- 5x All-Defense First Team
- 12x All-Star
- #7 Points
- #6 Field Goals Made
- #9 Field Goals Attempted
- #1 Blocked Shots
- #7 Steals
- #10 Minute Played
- #5 Personal Fouls
- #6 Finals Scoring Average

17. John Havlicek (Ohio State)
- Drafted by the Boston Celtics in the 1st round (9th pick) of the 1962 NBA draft.
- 1x Finals MVP
- 8x Champion
- 1x NCAA Champion
- 4x All-NBA First Team
- 5x All-Defense First Team
- 13x All-Star
- #9 Points
- #5 Field Goals Attempted
- #8 Field Goals Made
- #7 Minutes Played

18. Moses Malone (Petersburg HS)
- 3x MVP
- 1x Finals MVP
- 1x Champion
- 4x All-NBA First Team
- 1x All-Defense First Team
- 12x All-Star
- #5 Points
- #5 Rebounds
- #8 Games Played
- #10 Minutes Played

19. Tim Duncan (Wake Forest)
- Drafted by the San Antonio Spurs in the 1st round (1st pick) of the 1997 NBA draft.
- 2x MVP
- 3x Finals MVP
- 1x All-Star MVP
- 1998 Rookie of the Year
- 3x Champion
- 8x All-NBA First Team
- 6x All-Defense First Team
- 8x All-Star

20. Charles Barkley (Auburn)
- Drafted by the Philadelphia 76ers in the 1st round (5th pick) of the 1984 NBA draft.
- 1x MVP
- 1x All-Star MVP
- 2x Olympic Gold Medalist
- 5x All-NBA First Team
- 11x All-Star

21. Isiah Thomas (Indiana)
- Drafted by the Detroit Pistons in the 1st round (2nd pick) of the 1981 NBA draft.
- 1x Finals MVP
- 2x All-Star MVP
- 2x Champion
- 1x NCAA Champion
- 3x All-NBA First Team
- 11x All-Star
- #4 Assist Average
- #5 Assists

22. Elvin Hayes (Houston)
- Drafted by the San Diego Rockets in the 1st round (1st pick) of the 1968 NBA draft.
- 1x Scoring Leader
- 3x All-NBA First Team
- 12x All-Star
- #6 Points
- #5 Field Goals Made
- #4 Field Goals Attempted
- #4 Rebounds
- #10 Games Played
- #3 Minutes Played
- #7 Personal Fouls

23. David Robinson (Navy)
- Drafted by the San Antonio Spurs in the 1st round (1st pick) of the 1987 NBA draft.
- 1x MVP
- 1990 Rookie of the Year
- 1x Defensive Player of the Year
- 2x Champion
- 2x Olympic Gold Medalist
- 4x All-NBA First Team
- 4x All-Defense First Team
- 10x All-Star
- 1x Scoring Leader
- #5 Blocked Shots

24. Dolph Schayes (NYU)
- Drafted by the New York Knickerbockers in the 1st round (4th pick) of the 1948 BAA draft.
- 1x Champion
- 6x All-NBA First Team
- 12x All-Star

25. John Stockton (Gonzaga)
- Drafted by the Utah Jazz in the 1st round (16th pick) of the 1984 NBA draft.
- 1x All-Star MVP
- 2x Olympic Gold Medalist
- 2x All-NBA First Team
- 10x All-Star
- #2 Assist Average
- #1 Assists
- #1 Steals
- #3 Games Played
- #5 Minutes Played

26. Kobe Bryant (Lower Merion HS)
- Drafted by the Charlotte Hornets in the 1st round (13th pick) of the 1996 NBA draft.
- 1x All-Star MVP
- 3x Champion
- 4x All-NBA First Team
- 4x All-Defense First Team
- 8x All-Star
- 1x Scoring Leader

27. Rick Barry (Miami)
- Drafted by the San Francisco Warriors in the 1st round (4th pick) of the 1965 NBA draft.
- 1x Finals MVP
- 1x All-Star MVP
- 1966 Rookie of the Year
- 1x Champion
- 5x All-NBA First Team
- 4x All-ABA First Team
- 12x All-Star
- 1x Scoring Leader
- #2 Free Throw Percentage
- #1 Finals Scoring Average

28. Scottie Pippen (Central Arkansas)
- Drafted by the Seattle Supersonics in the 1st round (5th pick) of the 1987 NBA draft.
- 1x All-Star MVP
- 6x Champion
- 2x Olympic Gold Medalist
- 3x All-NBA First Team
- 8x All-Defense First Team
- 7x All-Star

29. Willis Reed (Grambling)
- Drafted by the New York Knickerbockers in the 2nd round (1st pick) of the 1964 NBA draft.
- 1x MVP
- 2x Finals MVP
- 1x All-Star MVP
- 1965 Rookie of the Year
- 2x Champion
- 1x All-NBA First Team
- 1x All-Defense First Team
- 7x All-Star

30. Allen Iverson (Georgetown)
- Drafted by the Philadelphia 76ers in the 1st round (1st pick) of the 1996 NBA draft.
- 1x MVP
- 2x All-Star MVP
- 1997 Rookie of the Year
- 3x All-NBA First Team
- 7x All-Star
- 4x Scoring Leader
- #3 Scoring Average

31. Jerry Lucas (Ohio State)
- Drafted by the Cincinnati Royals in the 1st round (6th pick) of the 1962 NBA draft.
- 1x All-Star MVP
- 1964 Rookie of the Year
- 1x Champion
- 1x NCAA Champion
- 1x Olympic Gold Medalist
- 3x All-NBA First Team
- 7x All-Star
- #4 Rebounding Average

32. Patrick Ewing (Georgetown)
- Drafted by the New York Knicks in the 1st round (1st pick) of the 1985 NBA draft.
- 1986 Rookie of the Year
- 2x Olympic Gold Medalist
- 1x NCAA Champion
- 1x All-NBA First Team
- 11x All-Star
- #6 Blocked Shots

33. George Gervin (East Michigan)
- Drafted by the Phoenix Suns in the 3rd round (4th pick) of the 1974 NBA draft.
- 1x All-Star MVP
- 4x Scoring Leader
- 5x All-NBA First Team
- 12x All-Star
- #8 Scoring Average

34. Walt Frazier (Southern Illinois)
- Drafted by the New York Knickerbockers in the 1st round (5th pick) of the 1967 NBA draft.
- 1x All-Star MVP
- 2x Champion
- 4x All-NBA First Team
- 7x All-Defense First Team
- 7x All-Star

35. Neil Johnston (Ohio State)
- 1x Champion
- 4x All-NBA First Team
- 6x All-Star
- 3x Scoring Leader

36. Jason Kidd (California)
- Drafted by the Dallas Mavericks in the 1st round (2nd pick) of the 1994 NBA draft.
- 1995 Rookie of the Year
- 1x Olympic Gold Medalist
- 5x All-NBA First Team
- 4x All-Defense First Team
- 7x All-Star
- #5 Assist Average
- #8 Assists

37. Paul Arizin (Villanova)
- Drafted by the Philadelphia Warriors in the 1st round (3rd pick) of the 1950 NBA draft.
- 1x All-Star MVP
- 1x Champion
- 3x All-NBA First Team
- 10x All-Star
- 1x Scoring Leader

38. Bob McAdoo (North Carolina)
- Drafted by the Buffalo Braves in the 1st round (2nd pick) of the 1972 NBA draft.
- 1x MVP
- 1973 Rookie of the Year
- 2x Champion
- 1x All-NBA First Team
- 5x All-Star
- 3x Scoring Leader

39. Dave Cowens (Florida State)
- Drafted by the Boston Celtics in the 1st round (4th pick) of the 1970 NBA draft.
- 1x MVP
- 1x All-Star
- 1971 Rookie of the Year
- 2x Champion
- 1x All-Defense First Team
- 7x All-Star
- #8 Rebounding Average

40. Nate Archibald (UTEP)
- Drafted by the Cincinnati Royals in the 2nd round (2nd pick) of the 1970 NBA draft.
- 1x All-Star MVP
- 1x Champion
- 3x All-NBA First Team
- 6x All-Star
- 1x Scoring Leader

41. Clyde Drexler (Houston)
- Drafted by the Portland Trail Blazers in the 1st round (14th pick) of the 1983 NBA draft.
- 1x Champion
- 1x Olympic Gold Medalist
- 1x All-NBA First Team
- 10x All-Star
- #6 Steals
- #10 Finals Scoring Average

42. Dominique Wilkins (Georgia)
- Drafted by the Utah Jazz in the 1st round (3rd pick) of the 1982 NBA draft.
- 1x All-NBA First Team
- 9x All-Star
- 1x Scoring Leader
- #10 Scoring Average
- #9 Points
- #9 Field Goals Made
- #7 Field Goals Attempted

43. Bill Sharman (USC)
- Drafted by the Washington Capitols in the 2nd round of the 1950 NBA draft.
- 1x All-Star MVP
- 4x Champion
- 4x All-NBA First Team
- 8x All-Star
- #10 Free Throw Percentage

44. Tommy Heinsohn (Holy Cross)
- Drafted by the Boston Celtics in the 1st round (6th pick) of the 1956 NBA draft.
- 1957 Rookie of the Year
- 8x Champion
- 6x All-Star

45. Wes Unseld (Louisville)
- Drafted by the Baltimore Bullets in the 1st round (2nd pick) of the 1968 NBA draft.
- 1x MVP
- 1x Finals MVP
- 1969 Rookie of the Year
- 1x Champion
- 1x All-NBA First Team
- 5x All-Star
- #6 Rebounding Average
- #10 Rebounds

46. Sam Jones (NC Central)
- Drafted by the Boston Celtics in the 1st round (8th pick) of the 1957 NBA draft.
- 8x Champion
- 5x All-Star

47. Kevin Garnett (Farragut Academy)
- Drafted by the Minnesota Timberwolves in the 1st round (5th pick) of the 1995 NBA draft.
- 1x MVP
- 1x All-Star MVP
- 1x Olympic Gold Medalist
- 3x All-NBA First Team
- 6x All-Defense First Team
- 9x All-Star

48. Gary Payton (Oregon State)
- Drafted by the Seattle Supersonics in the 1st round (2nd pick) of the 1990 NBA draft.
- 1x Defensive Player of the Year
- 1x Champion
- 2x Olympic Gold Medalist
- 2x All-NBA First Team
- 9x All-Defense First Team
- 9x All-Star
- #6 Assists
- #3 Steals
- #9 Minutes Played

49. Billy Cunningham (UNC)
- Drafted by the Philadelphia 76ers in the 1st round (7th pick) of the 1965 NBA draft.
- 1x ABA MVP
- 1x Champion
- 3x All-NBA First Team
- 1x All-ABA First Team
- 5x All-Star

50. Bill Walton (UCLA)
- Drafted by the Portland Trailblazers in the 1st round (1st pick) of the 1974 NBA draft.
- 1x MVP
- 1x Finals MVP
- 1x Sixth Man of the Year
- 2x Champion
- 2x NBA Champion
- 1x All-NBA First Team
- 2x All-Defense First Team
- 2x All-Star

Tim duncan is rank too low at 19, IMO he is the GOAT PF to ever play the game yet he or no pf cracks the top 10, yet you see bird up there, where duncan has the same accomplishments as him except total statistics...

[Leetonidas]

Tim should definetly be in the Top 15.

[TDMVPDPOY]

alot of guys up there rankin 5-19 ahead of duncan is very questionable, besides accrueling statistics over their career that is the only negative to duncans CV, while he has more accomplishments then them. I thought basketball is about winnin championships, if its about statistics then KG should be up in top 20 then...

duncan right now is at least top 12, knockin out malone, dr.j, baylor, shaq, west, mikan, oscar, pe and bird.

olajuwon is rank too low imo.

Karl malone is rank to high, while stockton is rank around 25, the both of them should be closer to each other as each were dependable on each others game.

[NBA Junkie]

Does anyone else have a problem with the oft-injured Bill Walton making the list?

I sure do, and it has nothing to do with his color analyst duties.

[TDMVPDPOY]

yeh bill walton didnt do in the nba, short career imo, nash hasnt done much compared to him but dude has b2b mvps, should get sum recognition though

[jman3000]

duncan right now is at least top 12, knockin out malone, dr.j, baylor, shaq, west, mikan, oscar, pe and bird.



.

ummm ... shaq? bird? oscar? west? are you serious?

[RogerIsEatingASandwich]

Karl Malon is ranked wayyyyyy too ing high. Stockton ranked at 25 is too low. Some guys need to be flip-flopped around....

Cool list though....

[G0D]

Karl Malone ahead of duncan and olajuwan? ooooooooooooooookkkkk

IMO the people who played before the 60's shouldnt even be on this list. the athletes were horiible back then. Paul Arizin? um.. no. i've seen every single player on this list and watched every minute of every game. Paul Arizin=no better than brent barry. George Mikan was ok, but he's about as good as Chris Mihm. truth hurts

[exstatic]

Karl Malone ahead of duncan and olajuwan? ooooooooooooooookkkkk

IMO the people who played before the 60's shouldnt even be on this list. the athletes were horiible back then. Paul Arizin? um.. no. i've seen every single player on this list and watched every minute of every game. Paul Arizin=no better than brent barry. George Mikan was ok, but he's about as good as Chris Mihm. truth hurts

Where's your bible verse, or did you just forget to sign out before you wanted to talk hoops, G0D?

My issues were actually with players WELL after 1960: Barkley, Pip, and Ewing.

[JamStone]

At least most of you guys are unbiased.

[G0D]

Where's your bible verse, or did you just forget to sign out before you wanted to talk hoops, G0D?

My issues were actually with players WELL after 1960: Barkley, Pip, and Ewing.

tommorrow's sunday, you will get a heavy dose of bible verses then, but since thou has asked:

"And I will take away his blood out of his mouth, and his abominations from between his teeth: but he that remaineth, even he, shall be for our God, and he shall be as a governor in Judah, and Ekron as a Jebusite. "

-Zechariah 9:7

[sanman53]

Duncan should DEF be ahead of malone.

And 11 rings for Russell is totally amazing!

[Bob Lanier]

Shaq at #7? Foolishness.

[adidas11]

This list sounds about right. Duncan hurt his 'ranking' with his performances in last year's playoffs (2005), and the entire season this year (2005-2006)

[awmyplace]

tommorrow's sunday, you will get a heavy dose of bible verses then, but since thou has asked:

"And I will take away his blood out of his mouth, and his abominations from between his teeth: but he that remaineth, even he, shall be for our God, and he shall be as a governor in Judah, and Ekron as a Jebusite. "

-Zechariah 9:7

Do you like basketball?

[baseline bum]

This list sounds about right. Duncan hurt his 'ranking' with his performances in last year's playoffs (2005), and the entire season this year (2005-2006)

... and yet Shaq doesn't hurt his rankings by scoring 13.7 in the Finals? So even in a down playoffs where he's playing on two badly sprained ankles, Duncan was Finals MVP, against both Wallaces. What's Shaq's excuse? DeSagana Diop and Dampier too much for him?

[Obstructed_View]

Does anyone else have a problem with the oft-injured Bill Walton making the list?

I sure do, and it has nothing to do with his color analyst duties.

If you are going by career longevity or by numbers, then he probably does not belong on the list. If you are actually making a "50 greatest players" list, and going by what he did when he was healthy, that puts his dog in the race. I think he averaged something like 3.5 blocks per game one season. That's in addition to 15 boards. That he was possibly the greatest college basketball player of all time helps to influence the voters as well.

[Obstructed_View]

This list sounds about right. Duncan hurt his 'ranking' with his performances in last year's playoffs (2005), and the entire season this year (2005-2006)

That's just stupid.

[G0D]

Do you like basketball?

i love everything on Earth since i created it all.

[jacobdrj]

i love everything on Earth since i created it all.

As I am sure you have noted yourself, you still made the avocado pit too big, and the moose too ugly...

[PaceMonster]

Wow why do u guys hate Shaq soo much? You're always talking about how the rings matter the most....well Shaq has 4 rings(more than Duncan), and 3 Finals MVP's....not to include that he has a higher career scoring average, higher career Blocks per game, and higher career FG%....while Duncan takes assists. rebounds by .2 and FT%.....now how is he supposed to be ranked ahead of Shaq??

[J.T.]

We hate Shaq because he was a conference rival for many years and blocked us from winning the championship a few times and from repeating once. I bet there are a lot of Laker fans that have the Spurs for knocking the Lakers off their 3-peat. It's just part of having a rivalry. Looks like our new hate man is Dirk though.

[ShoogarBear]

-Gervin should have been bolded.

-Duncan > Shaq for multiple reasons:
-Shaq can't win a championship without a Kobe or Wade propping him up.
-Shaq has played 14 years. Discounting the lockout, he has played less than 75 games in NINE out of THIRTEEN years. He's a China Doll/bloated fat boy.
-Shaq has been on the All-Defensive team a grand total of three times; none of them first-team. Duncan has 6 first-team and 3 second-team selections.

-Karl Malone and Elvin Hayes are too high. DRob > Hayes.

-Duncan and Garnett are too low? Tommy Heinsohn > Garnett? Give me a ing break.

[sanman53]

Shaq has played 14 years. Discounting the lockout, he has played less than 75 games in NINE out of THIRTEEN years. He's a China Doll/bloated fat boy.
-Shaq has been on the All-Defensive team a grand total of three times; none of them first-team. Duncan has 6 first-team and 3 second-team selections.

NICE STUFF!
My friend swears the only reason Shaq made the orginal Top50 was because of what he was going to do in the league.

[ATX Spur]

Duncan, Dream, and Kobe will all be higher. Time will judge.