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  1. #51
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    I think Matt was good at conducting an overwhelming array of weapons. He threw accurate, short passes. I think he has no poise in the pocket, but was rarely pressured enough to make this evident. In the NFL, he will have no such luxuries. He will have command of some damn good weapons, but his line won't be the same. This year at USC there will be a new QB, with obviously weaker RB's and if you don't think losing Bush and White will hurt Booty, you are fooling yourself. I think uSC will win 9 or 10 games, but NC is unrealistic.

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    I think Matt was good at conducting an overwhelming array of weapons. He threw accurate, short passes. I think he has no poise in the pocket, but was rarely pressured enough to make this evident. In the NFL, he will have no such luxuries. He will have command of some damn good weapons, but his line won't be the same. This year at USC there will be a new QB, with obviously weaker RB's and if you don't think losing Bush and White will hurt Booty, you are fooling yourself. I think uSC will win 9 or 10 games, but NC is unrealistic.
    1. of course losing Bush and White will hurt, but there are not any teams as good as t.u. and USC where last year, so it won't matter as much. plus the WRs will be better and the o-line has the potential to be better...though i am not saying it will be
    2. i think Matt has good poise, so we will agree to disagree on that. but i don't think vy has good poise in the pocket...and guess what, when he wants to then run, "uh OH"....meet my friend Ray Lewis. Ha ha ha ha....

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    VY was under far more pressure in college than Leinart. Young threw the ball with 2 guys hanging on him from time to time. Leinart threw off his back foot with a scared look on his face from time to time. I think Leinart will be decent in the right situation. I think Young will be great in the right situation. Both could be complete busts in the wrong situation.

    And, he's not afraid of Ray Lewis.

  4. #54
    VY was under far more pressure in college than Leinart. Young threw the ball with 2 guys hanging on him from time to time. Leinart threw off his back foot with a scared look on his face from time to time. I think Leinart will be decent in the right situation. I think Young will be great in the right situation. Both could be complete busts in the wrong situation.

    And, he's not afraid of Ray Lewis.

    sidenote: why do people always bring up fear? many times it is so irrelevant....and it does not matter if young is scared of him or not. Lewis would eat him....it only matters what will happen.

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    Yeah, I guess Ray Lewis will only tackle VY & not Matt.
    Matt won't ever be sacked.
    Matt won't play vs any team that has a MLB.

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    Yeah, I guess Ray Lewis will only tackle VY & not Matt.
    Matt won't ever be sacked.
    Matt won't play vs any team that has a MLB.

    ...thanks for missing the point entirely. question: does Leinart depend on his legs?

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    In 3 years when Matt is a mediocre at best NFL QB and Vince is calling Matt Jones for pointers on his transition to WR, you will all see how pointless this debate is.

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    And reggie mcneal will be calling me to see what's up for people not playing in the NFl.

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    In three years, Reggie will have been through the NFL and wondering what's up for people who can't even make it in the CFL. I suggest he give Quincy Carter a call.

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    ...thanks for missing the point entirely. question: does Leinart depend on his legs?

    Actually, you missed my point.
    Matt DOESN'T have his SC line to protect him.
    Matty pooh will be much like his passes....a duck. Not wounded, at 1st....a sitting duck.

    Don't get huffy but, maybe you should read up on the AZ Pro Bowl O-line that isn't. Just my opinion but Matt might need a set wheels for once in AZ this yr.

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    sidenote: why do people always bring up fear? many times it is so irrelevant....and it does not matter if young is scared of him or not. Lewis would eat him....it only matters what will happen.
    I think fear has a lot to do with how Leinart plays. Fear is a bigger factor than you think. Sure, Young can be unafraid of Ray Lewis, and get tackled by him. He can also make Ray fall on his face and feabley grasp for his ankle as he runs by.

  12. #62
    In 3 years when Matt is a mediocre at best NFL QB and Vince is calling Matt Jones for pointers on his transition to WR, you will all see how pointless this debate is.
    ...i would agree with this more than anything else these morons are posting. i just don't see any way vy will be a good qb and although i think Leinart will be good, he may turn out to just be average.

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    ...i would agree with this more than anything else these morons are posting. i just don't see any way vy will be a good qb and although i think Leinart will be good, he may turn out to just be average.
    Oh my, I don't agree with you.

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    Oh my, I don't agree with you.

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    If Warner couldn't get it done in AZ, Leinart definitely won't. Warner has a better arm, quicker release, and is just as slow as Leinart. Leinart was a system QB that doesn't have the tools to perform at the NFL level. That's why he went 10th to a team that drafts horribly. If not for the ignorance of the Cardinals he may still be on the board...

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    If Warner couldn't get it done in AZ, Leinart definitely won't. Warner has a better arm, quicker release, and is just as slow as Leinart. Leinart was a system QB that doesn't have the tools to perform at the NFL level. That's why he went 10th to a team that drafts horribly. If not for the ignorance of the Cardinals he may still be on the board...
    ... , he would have gone 3 to the ans. but i am happy he did not b/c the ans sucks ass. he'll do well in AZ.

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    If Warner couldn't get it done in AZ, Leinart definitely won't. Warner has a better arm, quicker release, and is just as slow as Leinart. Leinart was a system QB that doesn't have the tools to perform at the NFL level. That's why he went 10th to a team that drafts horribly. If not for the ignorance of the Cardinals he may still be on the board...
    Now I think you are getting carried away. Kurt Warner sucks, and Leinart will start by week 4 or 5. He could do well, it just depends on the line. He has some weapons.

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    ... , he would have gone 3 to the ans (IF he had been worth a !). but i am happy he did not b/c the ans sucks ass. he'll do well in AZ.

    Now speaking of moronic posts!

  19. #69
    Now speaking of moronic posts!
    ...norm chow and other coaches wanted him, do your homework.

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    ...norm chow and other coaches wanted him, do your homework.
    From Peter King (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/200.... ans/1.html)


    Until today, I'd been delinquent in not meeting offensive coordinator Norm Chow, who came from the USC coordinator job to Nashville last year. Walking the 300 yards from the practice field to the gym with him, I wanted to know the real truth about the Matt Leinart-Vince Young story. Did Chow ever walk into GM Floyd Reese's office, pound his fist on the table and scream, "I want Leinart! Trust me on this -- I coached him for three years, and I know everything about him, and he's going to be a great NFL player!"

    No, Chow said, and he smiled. "Of course I like Matt,'' he said. 'How could you you not like him? But we had to look at all three quarterbacks and judge them as an organization -- Matt, Vince and Jay Cutler. We went on the road and spent time with all of them. I think Matt's going to be a great pro. I love him. But we felt great about Vince and the things he can do on the football field. I love working with him. It's been great."

    I could tell from his tone that he meant it. If the pick was Leinart, he'd have been thrilled. But he's happy to have Young because of his enormous physical gifts. Chow told him after the draft that no, he never demanded that Tennessee pick Leinart.

    "What I've told him is, 'Hey, I don't want you to be an athlete who plays quarterback. I want you to be a quarterback with athleticism.' He's picking up things well. What he hasn't figured out yet is that all the bells and whistles the defense throws at you, all the smoke and mirrors, is mostly unimportant. That's the thing we're working on now."

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    From Peter King (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/200.... ans/1.html)


    Until today, I'd been delinquent in not meeting offensive coordinator Norm Chow, who came from the USC coordinator job to Nashville last year. Walking the 300 yards from the practice field to the gym with him, I wanted to know the real truth about the Matt Leinart-Vince Young story. Did Chow ever walk into GM Floyd Reese's office, pound his fist on the table and scream, "I want Leinart! Trust me on this -- I coached him for three years, and I know everything about him, and he's going to be a great NFL player!"

    No, Chow said, and he smiled. "Of course I like Matt,'' he said. 'How could you you not like him? But we had to look at all three quarterbacks and judge them as an organization -- Matt, Vince and Jay Cutler. We went on the road and spent time with all of them. I think Matt's going to be a great pro. I love him. But we felt great about Vince and the things he can do on the football field. I love working with him. It's been great."

    I could tell from his tone that he meant it. If the pick was Leinart, he'd have been thrilled. But he's happy to have Young because of his enormous physical gifts. Chow told him after the draft that no, he never demanded that Tennessee pick Leinart.

    "What I've told him is, 'Hey, I don't want you to be an athlete who plays quarterback. I want you to be a quarterback with athleticism.' He's picking up things well. What he hasn't figured out yet is that all the bells and whistles the defense throws at you, all the smoke and mirrors, is mostly unimportant. That's the thing we're working on now."

    two things:

    1. i don't think Chow demanded Leinart, i think he wanted him....and he did along with others

    2. there is no way in Chow would tell people after they got vy that he wanted Leinart...are you serious?

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    two things:

    1. i don't think Chow demanded Leinart, i think he wanted him....and he did along with others

    2. there is no way in Chow would tell people after they got vy that he wanted Leinart...are you serious?
    I'm sort of in the minority here when I believe that all three of the top QB's wound up in good situations. Warner is going to pull a Kitna to Leinart's Palmer. VY will benefit from having Chow's expertise and a coach in Fisher that allowed another versatile athlete (McNair) to develop and thrive into a Pro-Bowl QB. Cutler gets to go play for an AFC finalist and a offensive guru like Shanahan that doesn't have a of a lot of patience with his starting QB. Jake Plummer doesn't have the luxury to be mediocre with a talent like Jay holding a clipboard.

  23. #73
    Those don't do justice. Need to watch a VY highlight video to see plays like when he was spun around then with a guy hanging on him he threw a perfect pass.

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    ...norm chow and other coaches wanted him, do your homework.

    Yeah, wanted him sooooooo much they picked a better QB in VY.

    Maybe someone needs to brush up on the reason(s) a player is drafted by a team.
    Hmmmmmm, let me guess..... Because they WANT that player over another player???? Looks like I got the "A" in homework.
    Don't embarrass anymore yourself son, this is getting too fun!

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    two things:

    1. i don't think Chow demanded Leinart, i think he wanted him....and he did along with others

    2. there is no way in Chow would tell people after they got vy that he wanted Leinart...are you serious?

    That's just your opinion, do your homework. Get the facts.

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