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Wow! You didn't vote for dip ? Guess you voted for crooknose then huh?
whottt, nice to see you are back in the political forum in full force
Wow! You didn't vote for dip ? Guess you voted for crooknose then huh?
Thanks smeagol
How do you have a discussion with a head thats buried in the sand?
You've made your position clear. Your loyalty to the president is void of any personnal thought. Anyone that disagrees with you is " That's why you will never be a leader" or some . Must have blown whats left of your mind when Colin Powell admitted they were wrong. (I'm sure you have invented some kind of out clause excuse for that one.)
I guess bush is a war hero, too. Your upset that you weren't allowed in Iraq, and your very proud of some test score that determines whether or not your dumb enough to die over a cause that adds up to nothing more than a fabrication. Probably more upset that you can't lead other men and women to their death over the same BS cause.
I don't want to beat on a guy whose beliefs might be a by-product of some skull drop he took at 16. I'll just leave you with this. "Mission Accomplished" and "Bring it on."
I agree with that. I don't usually agree with Whottt, but I feel he at least thinks for himself unlike other people around here.whottt, nice to see you are back in the political forum in full force
I don't know...how do you do it? Talk to yourself?
You've made your position clear. Your loyalty to the president is void of any personnal thought. Anyone that disagrees with you is " That's why you will never be a leader" or some .
I don't like Bush's lack of an environmental policy, I don't like his stance on abortion and I don't like his stance on stem cell research...
What I do like, at least more than anything being offered up by the left, is his foreign policy and ideas on what it will take to FIX the mid-east...
And you aren't going to to it by leaving a bunch of head dictators in power...
Period.
And their problem is now our problem.
And in a region where nearly every country(except the one everyone calls the problem)...has a mass emmigration problem, and lack of representative government, it's obvious that maintaining the status quo is not the solution.
Is Israel attacking Syria? How come Syria is a hole with mass emmigration issues?
Saudi Arabia has a hundred billion dollar economy...how come they have mass emmigration issues?
Because they got ty backwards ass governments that don't care for their people....and these forgotten human waste are the backbone of the terrorist army.
Eh...Colin Powell isn't the right man for this job and this plan...Must have blown whats left of your mind when Colin Powell admitted they were wrong. (I'm sure you have invented some kind of out clause excuse for that one.)
Incidentally, he was one of the ones that wasn't in favor of removing Saddam from power in the Persian Gulf War...In fact he was the chief advocate of not doing so...now I agree that since we agreed we would not take Saddam out of power in the forming of the coalition, that we could not go back on our word...
But how'd Colin's vision turn out?
How'd leaving Saddam in power turn out?
I guess bush is a war hero, too.
See you ing tool?
I give you facts, and you give me stupidity...
You have yet to make a factually provable statement, you just go around spewing ignorance like it's something special...
Putting words in my mouth...
You're an idiot.
What's the fabrication?and your very proud of some test score that determines whether or not your dumb enough to die over a cause that adds up to nothing more than a fabrication. Probably more upset that you can't lead other men and women to their death over the same BS cause.
That Saddam was believed to have WMD?
Your intellectual capacity and unwillingness to actually learn if anything you say is true makes you the ing sheep...
And anytime you want to argue historical facts with me...feel free to do so.
And I'll just leave you with this...I don't want to beat on a guy whose beliefs might be a by-product of some skull drop he took at 16. I'll just leave you with this. "Mission Accomplished" and "Bring it on."
You're a ing sheep...a stupid ing sheep who hasn't uttered one accurate or provable statement with regards to the mideast in this entire debate..
You arguments are cliched, trite and in accurate and the intelligence you argue with is extremely common and not elightened or insightful in any way shape or form.
Common...and stupid. And you speak and argue from a position of ignorance...provable ignorance.
You're just a ing pathetic sheep who listens to what people say instead of attempting to find out the truth for himself.
IOW, you're a dumbass...
Well, if it really were (which it's not best I can tell), it's better than say someone like you who has theirs so far up NBADan's every time you spit it comes out his mouth.How do you have a discussion with a head thats buried in the sand?
Not suprised on how you would turn on Colin Powell (predicted that earlier).
There is no man for this job, except the one attached to the voice in your head.
I have a small son (thats why I worry about a leader with a samller IQ than... my son).
I won't use the "f" word to describe you or your thoughts, but I will use YOUR thoughts.
I'm fascinated by a person that performs a self-examination and their conclusion leads them to an analogy comparison with that of Charles Whitman. I believe you should be given as much space to vent as we can possibly provide.
I think the people of your ilk are a dying breed, an endangered spieces. I will do my best to record your thoughts, so please continue and try to be honest and accurate with your feelings.
It's for posterity.
Yawn...I stated the truth about his stance during the Persian Gulf War.
Your opinion...stilll waiting for something resembling a fact from you.There is no man for this job, except the one attached to the voice in your head.
Oh I wouldn't worry about that if I were you. I'd be worried about your IQ if I were you.I have a small son (thats why I worry about a leader with a samller IQ than... my son).
Oh so the fact that you don't say some how changes the fact that you have attacked a possible medical disability 5 posts in a row?I won't use the "f" word to describe you or your thoughts, but I will use YOUR thoughts.
Oh yeah...you got your priorities in the right place.
You ing bag.
I'm glad you are fascinated by me. Unfortunately I don't feel similarly about you...what I feel is a the usual tediousness that I always get during the process of helping someone realize they are an idiot...I'm fascinated by a person that performs a self-examination and their conclusion leads them to an analogy comparison with that of Charles Whitman. I believe you should be given as much space to vent as we can possibly provide.
Yes it's tedious, and it's boring, but it's my own small way of making the world a better place. And I do it quite well. You'll thank me one day.
I think the people of your ilk are a dying breed, an endangered spieces. I will do my best to record your thoughts, so please continue and try to be honest and accurate with your feelings.
It's for posterity.
And I think you'd do yourself a great service if you actually checked out the validity of your ignorant and uninformed misguided historical knowledge before forming your stupid opinions.
But that's just my opinion of course...this is a free country and you can continue celebrating your right to stupidity to the fullest. That is what makes America great after all.
Possible? The diagnosis is becoming a bit more focused.
Tell me more about Bush's future legacy so we can lay it next to what will be an autospy of his blunders as president, then we can compare your medical condition brainstorming to the truth.
Remember, try to be accurate and honest with your feelings.
It's for posterity!
Yeah, I don’t agree with much of what he posts in the political forum (I do agree with his b-ball views, though), but he backs up what he says with facts and you can tell there is thought behind what he writes.
I wasnt even slightly insulted. No, I dont believe you insulted Dan in anyway either.
Sometimes I admit to being a little heated in my opinions, and I can make a comment directed at no one person and find some people feeling personally attatcked...that will get a nasty response from me because if I didn't make a personal attack(IE clearly directed at an individual) then people shouldn't take it personally...and if they do I am going to be a about it because they're being stupid.
Well said.
Hmmm...who the knows and who the cares about his political legacy?
The problem is the middle east...and that's why he was re-elected...
But fixing the middle east isn't going to be finished until long after Bush is gone from office...
And if you think it could have been fixed in one or two presidential terms...You are truly an idiot.
The middle east situation was centuries in the making, it's a region of the world that governementally and culturally lags 2 to 300 years behind the rest of the world...In terms of the types of governments, civil rights etc...
Now that's not a problem if you are talking about some tribe in the Amazon that no one gives a about and who just want to go hunt.
But when you are talking about one of the richest regions in the world and them marrying modern technology to a pre-enlightenment culture with fascist intentions an apocalyptic world view and the willingness to act on it...
That's a ing problem and prentending it wasn't and maintaining the status quo was not going to fix it...it was going to make it worse. It WAS getting worse and it had been for decades.
....it's not going to be fixed in 3 years.
Legacies are ing useless to anyone other than the person they belong too...
The results are what matter.
And the middle east is such a complete and utter humanitarian and civil rights hole and has been for just about all of the 20th century....it's got nowhere to go but up.
Legacy this leagacy that...
You want to know legacy?
John Quincy Adams is one of the least popular presidents in American history.
He was the son of a President...he was elected without winning the popular vote and he was extremely unpopular and hardly ever mentioned as being a great president or politician...
But what he also is...
Is guy that vetoed a proposed law that would have made even the discussion of freeing the slaves illegal.
So you tell me what his legacy is...
Then tell me if it matters to anyone other than the Adams Family(sic).
Remember, try to be accurate and honest with your feelings.
It's for posterity!
I have been...you're an idiot, your lack of knowledge is apparent to someone that has it, and there are two people that know you pull your opinions en rely out of your ass and get them from newsblurbs without ever actually looking into the truth for yourself...you, and me.
You do realize that debasing someones medical condition to enhance your point of view does nothing to substantiate your arguement and serves only to reflect poorly on you?
Of course I realize that Joch. I have more at stake here than most of you,IMO. I don't want my son to be stuck in some desert because of the actions of a maniac president. At some point the rest of the world is going to decide it's time the US paid for it's criminal agreesion.
As far as Whott is concerned? He has no etiquette, self control, or character. The fact they wouldn't allow him to sign up is, yet again, another mistake by the current administration. He is PERFECT for this mission.
Like I said...
You're an idiot. There is no way your son is going to be stuck in some desert unless he chooses to do so.
Get your ing head out of the vietnam war. This isn't Viet Nam.
At some point the rest of the world is going to decide it's time the US paid for it's criminal agreesion.
By who? The UN, itself under investigation and proven to have commited fraud and theft using UN sanctions as the tool?
Saddam signed the cease fire with is....when he violated it the two parties concerned were us and him. And when he violated it he fired on US. Hence...no more cease fire if we choose.
No illegality to it...
You should not listen to these idiots that say things like that.
LMAO...I have plenty of self control and etiquette, those aren't real strong requirments on this board...if they were I'd be banned, and I damn sure wouldn't be a mod...(and you'd be banned for as long as I could get away with it, I do admit to being tempted though).As far as Whott is concerned? He has no etiquette, self control, or character.
Sorry this board isn't what you think it should be...it seems to be that it's you that has the problem conforming to etiquette.
IT's not that they wouldn't allow me to sign up, I needed special clearance...the fact that I could not obtain that is not becuase I had a head injury, it's because the surgeon who operated on me is dead.The fact they wouldn't allow him to sign up is, yet again, another mistake by the current administration. He is PERFECT for this mission.
RIF and RIP.
See you can't keep facts straight...you twist them into something else...hence your ed up and wrong view.
There is no draft. Fact.
We had legal recourse to go into Iraq. Fact.
The fact that I am not in the military is not because of a proven disability, it's because the person who can give me the required medical clearance is dead. Fact.
Now look at what I said...
And look at what you are saying, look at the content of your posts, look at mine(even with insults)...and see if you can figure out why you are a bag.
Damn Joch!
Okay, Whott, how are we going to succeed with your "evolution" if you continue to throw pooh at everyone that walks past your cage?
Now, you are basically saying " Let's cut and run so you f*cking heads will get what you want". That's masterful!
Your post's on sports are insightful.
Your post's on politics are dangerous and demented. Don't wait for medical cleareance, just grow a beard and go. I'll help you pack (from a distance).
What cb?
You think I dragged a confession out of you that belittling whottt's medical problem was a mistake and then he turned around and insulted you anyway? It wasn't a setup, honest.
You're a good man for admitting a mistake cb. <seriously>
Edit: And btw cb, I have 2 sons that are of draft age, 20 and 22, so I understand how you feel.
Last edited by jochhejaam; 08-02-2006 at 02:17 PM.
So I guess I have more at stake than you do, since I have two sons.
You might want to do some of the math before you start rooting for immediate US failure due to your misplaced hatred for the commander in chief. Given your statements, I have little faith in your ability to critically examine your beliefs long enough to do some research and develop some opinions that are actually yours. For the good of your child it might be a good idea to get your news from someone other than John Stewart and Bill Maher.
If you look at the history of Israel and only concern yourself with the territory of southern Lebanon you will see the genesis or development of the PLO and Hezbollah, and by extension Islamic Jihad and Hamas. Most of these groups are committed to the destruction of the state of Israel and the killing of as many people in that country as possible. The citizens of Lebanon lack the foresight to see the danger of fundamentalist Islam and are happy to thumb their noses at Israel and the west, while completely failing to secure their own borders or even take control of their own political future. Every time the world community brow beats Israel into pulling back, those groups call it a victory and become more emboldened, as they do by the tacit approval of the world community that seems to hold them to no standard of behavior whatsoever. This can only end in the destruction of Israel. It looks like Israel is finally figuring that out. If forced to withdraw yet again, Israel will be facing the same enemies again, but those enemies will be backed by countries with nuclear weapons, and your son will be that much closer to being old enough to serve.
The killing, of course, won't stop even with every Jew on the planet dead. Once the Jews are gone, the Christians are next, as is turning Islam upon itself as it does so successfully in places like Taliban-controlled Afghanistan and Saudi Arabia, where the gangs of mutawaeen roam the streets beating citizens for such egregious offenses as not heading to prayer fast enough or a woman riding by herself in a taxi.
And make no mistake, the "rest of the world" lacks the political will to take on such "criminal agressors" as those in Darfur, Congo and Afghanistan without the lead of the US. The only reason those countries have breath in their bodies to criticise the US and Israel is because they'd rather take on the dog they know won't turn and bite them.
Repeating things other people say may make you feel smart, but it doesn't make you look or sound smart.
I haven't disagreed with the actions of Israel. Way to pay attention,OV.
Our president's actions are simply the last refuge of the incompetent. The truth about Iraq will rise to the top. This is the truth that men would prefer not to hear. At that time, I expect your presence will be limited.
What truth?
Say it........
You make it sound like serving is a bad decision.
Nice Try
Hezbollah doesn't run Lebanon. In fact, they are not even a powerful minority party. They are like the libertarians in the U.S., except they have a militia. Lebanon was a secular democracy, still is, not a fundamentalist Islamic republic like they are building in Afghanistan and Iraq. Extremism only breeds more extremism.If you look at the history of Israel and only concern yourself with the territory of southern Lebanon you will see the genesis or development of the PLO and Hezbollah, and by extension Islamic Jihad and Hamas. Most of these groups are committed to the destruction of the state of Israel and the killing of as many people in that country as possible. The citizens of Lebanon lack the foresight to see the danger of fundamentalist Islam and are happy to thumb their noses at Israel and the west, while completely failing to secure their own borders or even take control of their own political future. Every time the world community brow beats Israel into pulling back, those groups call it a victory and become more emboldened, as they do by the tacit approval of the world community that seems to hold them to no standard of behavior whatsoever. This can only end in the destruction of Israel. It looks like Israel is finally figuring that out. If forced to withdraw yet again, Israel will be facing the same enemies again, but those enemies will be backed by countries with nuclear weapons, and your son will be that much closer to being old enough to serve.
Blah, last I checked, Israel had about ~300 nuclear weapons. Also, Jerusalem is as holy to Islam as it is to Judism and Christianity.If forced to withdraw yet again, Israel will be facing the same enemies again, but those enemies will be backed by countries with nuclear weapons, and your son will be that much closer to being old enough to serve.
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