Did Saddam tell us that?At worst I am basing my estimation of the size on the last information we did have...at the time of the Persian Gulf War...when it was the 4th largest.
The funny thing is...no one has disproved my offhanded comment it was the second largest lmao.
One dumbass posts links of the size of the military from the post Saddam era...not once but twice, and then posts another source saying it could be well over a million...
And another dumbass s on his own sources he used to attempt to prove me wrong...
Just goes to show...two dumbasses are no smarter than one.
I have, you just couldn't comprehend it as usual.The funny thing is...no one has disproved my claim it was the second largest lmao.
If you accept that estimate, why would you not accept any others?
Are all estimates made after 1991 moot?
How the am I factually wrong...even when you separate the Saddam removal aspect from the police action...
173 is still <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< 2700.
Factually...I am right.
Because Pre Gulf War we aided Saddam and were on friendly terms with him while he built his military up.
Post Gulf War we didn't, we weren't and our intelligence in the area declined ...
Less accurate...and even most of the estimates mention this.Are all estimates made after 1991 moot?
For some reason you are trying to prove that after being decimated in the Gulf War and not being able to maintain or repair almost half of their equipment for a decade, Iraq somehow leapfrogged India and China to be the 2nd strongest military in the world.
My point is that in 2002 Iraq was nowhere near it's 1991 strength when it was estimated to be #4 or 5 in the world, and no one could have expected them to put up a better fight than they did during the Gulf War.
If you can find any estimate or recovered Iraqi do ent that proves Iraq was stronger in 2002 than 1991, let's see it. Actually, no, I want to see the #2 ranking. I'm sure you got that number somewhere, right?
Semantics. We both know what you meant. Have the intellectual honesty to admit that, and we can move on to the rest of it, which you have so far sidestepped.
Well technically speaking....
I never said they were bigger than China, that would make them biggest...they also aren't as dispersed.
Except for the fact that ground troops in the Persian Gulf War were barely used...and the objective of Persian Gulf war was to remove an occupying force from Kuwait...while the objective of the Iraq war was go into Iraq and remove Saddam and was much more of a ground war....My point is that in 2002 Iraq was nowhere near it's 1991 strength when it was estimated to be #4 or 5 in the world, and no one could have expected them to put up a better fight than they did during the Gulf War.
If you can find any estimate or recovered Iraqi do ent that proves Iraq was stronger in 2002 than 1991, let's see it. Actually, no, I want to see the #2 ranking. I'm sure you got that number somewhere, right?
Where did I say "strong"?
Ooops....
And for the billionth time...whether it was second or not was irrelevant to the point I was making.
You said second largest in the world.Where did I say "strong"?
Ooops....
Last edited by ChumpDumper; 08-09-2006 at 01:42 PM. Reason: It wasn't "#2", it was "second largest in the world." HUGE DIFFERENCE!
I haven't sidestepped anything...I consider the number of troops that have died in all aspects of the Iraq war....to be phenomenally low. Phenomenally.
And I haven't got a ing clue how anyone could argue otherwise.
I said second largest...
Ooops.
RIF.
STFU.
Yeah, I was just about to edit.
Still waiting for the "second largest in the world" source.
And "whottt's ass" doesn't count.
"the number of troops that have died in all aspect of the Iraq war"
A whole lot of Americans consider each of the 2600 US military lives wasted to be 2600 too many. My bet is that history will, too, sooner rather than later.
Prove it wasn't...I don't think it's a big deal, nor was it central to the point I was making...
You are the simple mind who can't think or focus on anything else because of the moth flying around your head...not I.
Be distracted...however I refuse to take the plunge into stupid dirgression with you.....
Prove it was. You're the one who claims it was the "second largest in the world." Prove it. I supplied plenty of evidence to the contrary.Prove it wasn't.
Why can't you back up a simple statement you made?
#1. Because it really has nothing to do with the point I was making.
#2. Because whether it is or isn't doesn't change the point I was making.
#3. Becuse I don't see why your obessive compulsive disorder should result in me googling to prove something A. I never stated or claimed was fact and B. I don't think is important to the point I was making.
Now go soak your head.
Sure it does. You exaggerate for effect all the time. Now when you are called on it you fold like a little . Why should we believe anything you say if you can't back up your "fact" that you threw in for effect.#1. Because it really has nothing to do with the point I was making.HOW you make your point is just as important. You're ting all over your credibility by just pulling stuff like that out of your ass and, now, refusing to admit that you pulled it out of your ass.#2. Because whether it is or isn't doesn't change the point I was making.So now you admit you pulled it out of your ass, but hope to disguise it by insulting me.#3. Becuse I don't see why your obessive compulsive disorder should result in me googling to prove something A. I never stated or claimed was fact and B. I don't think is important to the point I was making.
You ed up, Hootie. Congratulations.
in sulphuric acid
Ahhh the irony.
Who is folding?Now when you are called on it you fold like a little .
I never said it was a fact...Why should we believe anything you say if you can't back up your "fact" that you threw in for effect.HOW you make your point is just as important. You're ting all over your credibility by just pulling stuff like that out of your ass and, now, refusing to admit that you pulled it out of your ass.So now you admit you pulled it out of your ass, but hope to disguise it by insulting me.
LMAO...so did bag #1 when he cited current military numbers to refute the state of Saddam's army.You ed up, Hootie. Congratulations.
As well as bag #2 when he claimed I said "strong" and further when he on his own 4th largest in the world sources...
What makes me better than you two is that I at no point tried to claim it was fact...
You attempted and are attempting to get me to argue from the position as if I did, and the funny thing is both of you have done nothing but trip over your own s trying to factually disprove something I never claimed was fact ...
to which I respond.. you, clown.
And he was man enough to admit he was mistaken when I ponted it out to him.LMAO...so did bag #1 when he cited current military numbers to refute the state of Saddam's army.I admit I was wrong about "strong" - and I didn't on any of my sources. I accept that Iraq had the fourth or fifth largest army in the world at the time of the Gulf War, just as I accept the same army was much smaller in 2002. It's easy enough to back up. Now that I ask you to back up your claim that Iraq had the second largest army in the world in 2002, you whine and . Just prove it. Should be easy for someone like you.As well as bag #2 when he claimed I said "strong" and further when he on his own 4th largest in the world sources.Then what do you claim it to be?What makes me better than you two is that I at no point tried to claim it was fact...
Why did you even say it?
Ahhh it was something I thought to be true obviously, you ing tool, how hard is that to figure...but at no point did I claim I was certain it was true...and that is important.
And again.. head, it doesn't change the point I was trying to make... head.
But since you guys have elected to make it the central point...the burden to disprove is on you.
So where did you get that idea? And why didn't you just say so before melting down?Ahhh it was something I thought to be true obviously, how hard is that to figure...but at no point did I claim I was certain it was true...and that is important.Nah, you have to prove it.But since you guys have elected to make it the central point...the burden to disprove is on you.
Well to tell you the truth I believe I confused 4th largest at the time of the Persian Gulf with second largest Oil Reserves...
I figured he had over a million men, something that actually hasn't been disproven when taking into account reserves, the Fedayeen Saddam and who knwos what else he had...
Add to that the fact that the US and Russian militaries downsized quite a bit in the 90's...and it's not hard to reach that conclusion...
Everyone knows China is the biggest...and I was uncertain of the size of Indias...I just never think military when thinking of India.
I at no point claimed they had superior weaponry..
And why didn't you just say so before melting down?Nah, you have to prove it.
Um...I melted down because
#1. Whether or ot not it is second in no way changes the impressiveness of the US removing Saddam weighed against the loss of life it took to do so.
#2. Because the idiot that challenged it...
A. Cited ing Wikipedia
B. Cited current military numbers...not once, but twice...
and the only thing he cited from the Saddam era actually destroyed the other numbers he was citing...since the Saddam era quote he had does allow for the militay to have been well over a million.
He was citing fact...and he did it stupidly. He couldn't even ing read the ing page he was looking at evidentally.
How the was I supposed to respond to a dumbass...one I have had heated words with previously.
Was that so hard?Well to tell you the truth I believe I confused 4th largest at the time of the Persian Gulf with second largest Oil Reserves...Well, he did an immediate about face when I told him. All I had to do was check the notes. That number at least was well-sourced.He was citing fact...and he did it stupidly. He couldn't even ing read the ing page he was looking at evidentally.Count to ten?How the was I supposed to respond to a dumbass...one I have had heated words with previously.
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