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YV found them WMDs, too. I holding my breath until it hits the main news channels.
YV found them WMDs, too. I holding my breath until it hits the main news channels.
How can a guy chosen by God to lead the country be so profoundly immoral, so profoundly disconnected from reality, so stunningly superficial.
But, he's wears the "born again" label, so the simplistic evangelicals say he's God's gift to the universe.
It really is a perfect example of the divide that seperates Americans.
We all heard the same things at the same time. The pres. says Iraq has wmd's and it represents America's greatest threat. Colin Powell sits there exhibiting that vial for the wow factor to spread fear. Prez. says Al-Qauida is in Iraq right now ordering take-out.
Weapons inspectors, and a load of them, all say, with conviction, that there are no wmd's. US intelligence says there is no proof of terrorist ties to Iraq.
Those on the right process this imformation and conclude "Damn, we gotta do something, we gotta attack this S.O.B!!!!
People not on the right process the same information and conclude "Uh oh, I smell a rat"! How do expect solutions from the same people who won't admit the past.
I just want to thank you guys for your nonstop ing, pissing, moaning and whining....it makes a difference. Pat yourselves on the back, you , moan, piss and whine...and you do it well.
It's the ers, pissers, moaners and whiners that have gotten things done in this country historically, it's they who've made America a great country.
Revolutionary War - Was the ers, pissers, moaners and whiners that won that war.
WWI - Ditto, it was also those that said we shouldn't be involved and that people were going to get killed that that made a difference then too.
WWII...the same.
It's always the people that , moan, piss and whine that get things done and make a difference.
Without ing, pissing, moaning and whining, I don't know where we'd be today.
We'd be without 95% of your posts, for starters.
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Same could be said for any individual who thinks his/her thoughts and opinions deserve to be "heard" by more people than themselves.
The ers, pissers and moaners are the people who start change. If everyone just held the status quo, how ing boring would that be?
It's different when I do it, mine has purpose, I and whine about s on the board...Oil boy.
Change to what?
To what?
Tooooooo..........
What?
The only thing I see you guys ing about is stuff you cannot change...
We are in Iraq...you cannot change it.
Bush is President, he's been reelected and he is going to serve maximum terms...you cannot change it.
Like you can change our posts or posting styles...
That's entirely possible...and it's not so much posting style or posts...it's the intelligence behind them. Don't worry exs...I haven't given up on you guys yet.
It's not like I am ing about the past.
I really think Powell was the clincher for a lot of people. When he stood before the U.N. pointing at what turned out to be broken down trucks and declared them to be mobile WMD factories many people bought into the whole fear and Saddam and Al-Queda working together bull .
Without ers, moaners, pisser and whiners the Mucking Management
would think everything was wonderfull, because most Managers, leaders
etc haven't got a clue about the real ing world.
Bush didn't even know they had blacks in Brazil
That was classic. (bows)
Cynicism=laziness.
The thing you do about it is force congress to ask more questions.
A lot of people are unhappy about the war, and sur-f***ing-prise a lot of Bush's long time buddies are starting to re-think the whole thing.
People who say "oh-woe-is-me-we-can't-do-anything" are the ultimate whiners, and piss me off to no end.
There is plenty that CAN be done by anyone with the balls to get off their asses and do something.
Individual contributions don't mean much to be sure, but when you get a few tens of millions of people together, you start making a difference.
The effect is even easier to see on a local level. Our country is great precisely because we CAN change things by getting involved even a little bit.
Millions would like to do something but Bush has wrangled powers that none of us have seen before.
Something else that has been overlooked far too often is Powell's resignation. He couldn't tolerate compromising his dignity any further.
Who the you are you calling cynical?
What gall.
Yeah...we got that, and he was still re-elected...next.The thing you do about it is force congress to ask more questions.
A lot of people are unhappy about the war, and sur-f***ing-prise a lot of Bush's long time buddies are starting to re-think the whole thing.
That's exactly what ya'll are saying about the mid-east, that it can't work, that it can't be fixed.People who say "oh-woe-is-me-we-can't-do-anything" are the ultimate whiners, and piss me off to no end.
You're the ing cynic, you are the woe is me.
So do it...get over there and human shield the poor civillians.There is plenty that CAN be done by anyone with the balls to get off their asses and do something.
Individual contributions don't mean much to be sure, but when you get a few tens of millions of people together, you start making a difference.
The effect is even easier to see on a local level. Our country is great precisely because we CAN change things by getting involved even a little bit.
Make a difference about what?
The Middle East?
This is a real slippery slope because I know you mother ers haven't got a clue of the mindset of those guys that we fight.
Those dudes are the an hesis of every this country stands for and if you in any way think Bush is worse than they are, you are truly clueless.
I just can't believe how stupid people are that they think our purpose or goals are in any way equal or lesser than those of the Islamic Fundamentalists...
If that's what you think you are clueless dude. And you stand against religious freedoms, political freedom, civils rights, IOW, you stand against all the gains of the Western World in the last 400 years.
Those guys are not a different side of the same coin..
If you aren't cynical, then my apologies. I have seen too many who are that way and who just abdicate any moral or civic responsibility. If you aren't one of them, then so much the better.
Re-election does not mean competant. He is president and that is that. After he is gone and we have really had a chance to measure him up and what he did, I think he will go down as one of the worst US presidents. (shrugs) I only hope he doesn't do much more damage in the time he has left.Yeah...we got that, and he was still re-elected...next.
The middle east can be fixed, but that requires an administration that has modi of finesse, knowledge of foreign affairs, and can actually win the "war" on terrorism. The current administration has been the best thing that could have happened to al Qaeda.That's exactly what ya'll are saying about the mid-east, that it can't work, that it can't be fixed.
Not sure what you base this on.You're the ing cynic, you are the woe is me.
uh, why? Which civilians?So do it...get over there and human shield the poor civillians.
I was talking about in general.Make a difference about what?
The Middle East?
(to be continued)
I have a better idea than you do.This is a real slippery slope because I know you mother ers haven't got a clue of the mindset of those guys that we fight.
Answer these TWO questions:
When was the last time you talked to a muslim about US foreign policy?
When was the last time you talked to anyone from the Middle East?
I would be willing to bet a bit of money that the answer to both questions for you is "never", am I right?
I don't think Bush is "worse" than Al Qaeda. As I stated previously, I think his and his administration's incompetence has been helping them. What better recruitment poster than the pictures from Abu Gharaib? What better cause celebre than Gitmo?Those dudes are the an hesis of every this country stands for and if you in any way think Bush is worse than they are, you are truly clueless.
The worst thing about this is that incompetence is DIRECTLY responsible for the deaths of US troops. Bush is too busy with vacations to learn about the rest of the world, and our soldiers die. THAT pisses me off to no end.
Actually I am a big fan of western culture and thinking. I would also be willing to bet a good chunk of money that I have studied it more than you have. Unless you happen to have a degree in philosophy, heh.I just can't believe how stupid people are that they think our purpose or goals are in any way equal or lesser than those of the Islamic Fundamentalists...
If that's what you think you are clueless dude. And you stand against religious freedoms, political freedom, civils rights, IOW, you stand against all the gains of the Western World in the last 400 years.
Those guys are not a different side of the same coin..
By the same token, as much as I am a fan of the Enlightenment, it is less than intellectually honest not to acknowledge the nasty things that western governments have gotten into, such as slavery, concentration camps (not just german ones), and a host of other nastiness.
The sucky thing about this is that if European governments had actually lived up to those ideals, the world would be a much better place.
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This morning...and daily to weekly since 1998. My best woman friend is a former Pakistani Muslim. We even dated long ago.
Sunday.When was the last time you talked to anyone from the Middle East?
You'd be wrong about that.I would be willing to bet a bit of money that the answer to both questions for you is "never", am I right?
Less than 2700 troops have died taking out the largest military in the middle east, second largest in the world...and overthrowing an entrenched military dictator.I don't think Bush is "worse" than Al Qaeda. As I stated previously, I think his and his administration's incompetence has been helping them. What better recruitment poster than the pictures from Abu Gharaib? What better cause celebre than Gitmo?
The worst thing about this is that incompetence is DIRECTLY responsible for the deaths of US troops. Bush is too busy with vacations to learn about the rest of the world, and our soldiers die. THAT pisses me off to no end.
I don't know what you judge as a successful war, in terms of lives, but I'd like to see it.
I have a degree in Anthropology and minored in World History.Actually I am a big fan of western culture and thinking. I would also be willing to bet a good chunk of money that I have studied it more than you have. Unless you happen to have a degree in philosophy, heh.
By the same token, as much as I am a fan of the Enlightenment, it is less than intellectually honest not to acknowledge the nasty things that western governments have gotten into, such as slavery, concentration camps (not just german ones), and a host of other nastiness.
Slavery still exists in the mid east to this day. Our slavery came with us from Europe BTW...
And this...Slavery has existed in Africa since time began, and it still exists there to this day.
And on that we agree...The sucky thing about this is that if European governments had actually lived up to those ideals, the world would be a much better place.
But you do realize that the Europeans don't have the same concepts of Democracy and Equality...it's still a largely aristocratic system.
Iraqs military was not the second largest in the world.
1. China
2. India
3. USA
This indicates Iraq doesnt even rate.Link
So, lets see what they say about Iraq (or what used to be Iraq).
29. Iraq
, that is even a sourced number on Wiki. Bonus.
WikiThe International Ins ute for Strategic Studies estimated the Iraqi armed forces to number 389,000 (army 350,000, navy 2,000, air force 20,000 and air defence 17,000), the paramilitary Fedayeen Saddam 44,000, and reserves 650,000.[40] Another estimate numbers the army and Republican Guard at between 280,000 to 350,000 and 50,000 to 80,000, respectively,[41] and the paramilitary between 20,000 and 40,000.[42] There were an estimated thirteen infantry divisions, ten mechanized and armored divisions, as well as some special forces units. The Iraqi Air Force and Iraqi Navy played a negligible role in the conflict.
One way or the other, obviously the American military is crazy-awesome at kicking the living out of any and all comers. This is of no debate.
Occupation and rebuilding....was never a good idea to begin with. I dont give a how the US gets out...just get the out of the region. Let them eat each other alive.
Just stop dude...the fact that you think Iraq didn't even rate is an amazingly stupid statement in and of itself.
The Wikipedia Link you just backed it up with....exponentially compounds the abundant stupidity in the first statement. And not just because you used Wikipedia...
Oh my god.So, lets see what they say about Iraq (or what used to be Iraq).
29. Iraq
, that is even a sourced number on Wiki. Bonus.
Sigh...One way or the other, obviously the American military is crazy-awesome at kicking the living out of any and all comers. This is of no debate.
Occupation and rebuilding....was never a good idea to begin with. I dont give a how the US gets out...just get the out of the region. Let them eat each other alive.
Hey you remember when you called me an internet bully and like that even though I never make any threats....
I think you are right, I think you should free yourself from my opinion...
Put me on ignore please and that'll save both of us a lot of the frustation caused by you being stupid.
Left click on my name..select view public profile, then select add whottt to your ignore list.
And good luck in the future...I hear a Wikipedia education backed by not a shred of a common sense and coupled with a complete ignorance of history will take you far in life.
Best wishes and Peace.
Can't put mods on ignore.
Yoni has tried....
...I am a mod aren't I....oh well I guess I'll put him on ignore then.
When are you going to change that le you don't care about anyway?
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