Why is the morbidly obese lady talking about fasting?
Indeed. I don't think its very representative of many Christians. However, I think it is a fair representation of what hard core evangelical followers believe and think. These mega churches don't get that way because everyone doesn't believe what is being said.
I did mention to Jess that that what wenton there was NOTHING like my CCD classes.
the definition of "hard core evangelicals" is subjective at best. To some on here, the fact that I am a Baptist and display my faith publicly makes me a hard core evangelical, maybe even an extreme radical to some. Considering the fact that there are over 16 million Southern Baptists alone, it is gross misrepresentation to state that this video is representative of the majority of evangelicals.
Of course, the same ones that argue that this video is representative of the majority of evangelicals will vociferously oppose that same argument against radical Muslims.
Amen. The same percent of Christians push the envelope as do Muslims.
The one difference is that we have seperation of church and state, and have secular laws and teachings. If you switched religions from Iran and the United States, but kept the same laws and societal mores, then the Christians would be the Muslims, and the Muslims the Christians.
People should stop pointing fingers at one if they refuse to hear the same about the others.
LoL, I love it.
I just have a hard time believing that admittance to Heaven is based on belief in God for two reasons, and they both have to do with God's all-loving quality.
1. If God is all-loving, then that means that God has nothing but self-less love for others. To base salvation on worship and acknowledgment is very base and egomaniacal. This contradicts the all-loving claim by introducing a selfish "worship me or burn" claim by God.
2. If God is all-loving, then salvation couldnt be contingent on having heard of God, or having been one of the few to have experienced God. If born a Muslim, you are very likely to die a Muslim. If born a Christian, most likely to die Christian. Thus, God is basing salvation on something that you have very little to do with. This is not all-loving in that we lose our free-will in gaining admittance to Heaven, and have no free-will as to which situation we are born into, yet pay all the penalties ( ) of free-will.
I believe that Heaven is based on the goodness of your actions, and your ability to put other people before yourself.
God created mankind in his image, and, from a Christian view, this image was spoiled with the selfish, evil acts of Adam and Eve. To be in God's image is to act selflessly and lovingly, not just simple falling to your knees to worship. And to be in God's image again is to make God's guest list.
Pray tell, what versus does the bible make mention of sexuality and or abortion?
the Bible does not specifically mention internet porn or cocaine, but both are addictive and morally, socially and spiritually destructive. The Bible espouses PRINCIPLES that can be applied to our lives without the use of specific and direct edicts that are for/against everything that we encounter in our day and age.
Oh, as far as the Scritpure for sexuality, you want Old Testament?
Read the story of Lot in Genesis. There is a reason they are called sodomy laws.
or New Testament?
Try reading the last half of Romans chapter 1. It's fairly specific.
As far as abortion goes, I challenge you to find one Biblical principle that would not be in conflict with abortion.
I am no bible student, but I was screwing around once at work and found a former coworkers hand-size Bible. I started reading it out of sheer boredom and found the "God hates sexuals" passage almost immediately.
It was really, really strange. I believe it is in Romans and goes a little like..
"..and those men who lay with men are [sic] against God"
...something or other. Its actually very, very clear and not much room for interpretation if youre a bible-thumping, hate monger.
Me, I could give two- s what the Bible says. Faith in God is one thing, faith in humanity is entirely another.
Holy , we must have been writing at the same time.
Yes, GOD is LOVE, but he is also HOLY and JUST. His presence cannot be defiled by sin or tainted by unholiness. will be the place of eternal separation from GOD, sin will be cast out from creation and sent to precisely because of the fact that GOD is HOLY.
Furthermore, salvation is not based solely on the belief in GOD but rather upon embracing the redeeming role of JESUS. Consider this; Satan and his minions believe in GOD, yet their eternal fate has been sealed in the lake of fire - they will not be 'saved'.
In other words, those who reject the message of JESUS will not be saved. You may find that to be exclusive, and frankly... it is. Some things have to be defined in black and white.... And unlike everthing in our 'Politically Correct' world... not everything has to be gray.
It's a good point, but if you read Romans Chapter 1... it says that "men are without excuse". Those who choose to reject the message of JESUS do so out of their own stubborness, convenience or hatred. Some people believe that those who earnestly never had a chance of making said decision during their time here on earth, will in fact have an extra opportunity to accept/reject the message of JESUS... To outline the specifics of such cir stances would be speculation on my part however.
A tad bit subjective don't you think.
We were created to fulfill a purpose... for GOD's glory. Obedience then, is one of the quintessential forms of worship because it openly embraces our subservience to the King of Kings. Those who reject GOD, however, fail to acknowledge this order and ultimately fall out of GOD's Grace. A common error is that people don't really understand what worship really means.
Read Romans Chapter 1.
Edit: Already mentioned.....
Not everyone who has a Bible and holds to the teachings therein is a Bible-thumping hate-monger.
I would be confident that the Koran holds the same view as the Bible, and probably with much greater consequences.
Exactly.
Starting with verse 18, it takes a step by step look at a holy amd righteous God, man as a whole that recognizes through His creation and the cognizance of his own soul (the spirit within) that there is a God, that man lifts himself as the created above the Creator and in doing so thinks himself enlightened yet is a fool, refuses to recognize God and proceeds to spiral down into a litany of base behaviors that directly oppose the holiness and righteousness of God and His intended creation. Very logical and straightforward.
I am not sure how anyone can argue FROM THE BIBLE that God does not have a specific viewpoint regarding sexuality.
Not too concerned with the Koran, or any other religious text. This was a discussion about the Bible.
I have faith in God, sure. I have no such respect for churches created by man. Those same churches were founded on a molested text crafted in such a way to emit power and prejudice.
The very foundations of the religious are schewed not by ignorance or sin, but by having faith not in God, but in a book. Those who tower the Bible/Koran/whatever as something of significance are nothing more than populists conforming to the status quo of their societal/tribal pressures.
A unique tool that has been responsible (almost singlehandedly) for bringing civilization to the point we stand now. I have no delusions when it comes to weighing the positives/negatives of those religious do ents. Their good has far, far outweighed the negatives.
But just to instill blind faith based on the past accomplishments of religion is to deny your humanity, imo. I am not advocating that religion, as a whole, is evil or whatever. Just that this constant touting of the Bible as some sort of relevant scripture that was written by God in our current state of being is....foolhardy.
By no means do I say, forget the past. Grievous error, indeed. But that with the perspective we now hold of our predecessors, our insight into the ways of the universe, the rapid exchange of information, our technology far outreaching our morality, the absolute revolution of lifestyle in the most historic century in all of time, thumping a book supposedly written by God based on no other evidence than the words of a fallible human seems absurd.
The morality taught in the Bible are good things, no question. But not at the expense of logic, science, observation and verifiable, empirical evidence to the contrary.
To be blunt, the only reason people to this day believe Jesus was the son of God in the western world is because you were told he was from the day you were born. Faith in God (or a higher power) does not require faith in the Bible/Koran/etc. Having faith in the Bible/Koran as holy law signifies nothing to me except accepted ignorance, the inability to question accepted authority and the need to feel connected in some special way with others thru the similar worship of a chosen deity.
Dark Reign,
Your opinions brush with very broad strokes (blind/foolhardy/absurd/ignorance), but I respect your right to your opinion based on your personal experiences.
Things such as this are hard to put a fine point on. I dont think less of a religious individual, I think less of the religious masses.
DR,
So, essentially, you're an agnostic? Believe in god but not in any one religion?
Sure, agnostic sounds like a fitting label, if youre into that.
Religion, as I define it, is a machination of man, not God.
According to religious doctrine, God is an egotist with high demands of wage and worship.
Again, it comes down to the fact that people (many Christians included) don't understand the true meaning of worship....
The problem is not God, it's religious establishment. Watch what happens when a religious leaders influence is challanged or ultimately threatened. The devil will emerge.
Clam, do you include Rev. Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton in your statements?
Of course.
Define a religious leader? A local minister? Televangelist who has a national following? Head of a denomination or convention?
What is a challenge or threat? To their core beliefs? To their alledged "spiritual fiefdoms" that they created? The power of their influence over other influential people?
C'mon, I understand that these statements are opinions, but they are starting to really get arbitrary at this point. Broad brush indeed.
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