I see them trying to do the same thing. I'm sure they'll be after someone like Corey Brewer.
Antanas Kavaliauskas - Guy outta A&M...Good hands, solid rebounding, good shooting range. I like Gillispie's system. Might be a good 2nd round prospect. My only objection is that we have Matt Bonner. Kavaliauskas measures in a 6'10, but with time, could guard quicker fowards.
Rudy Fernandez?
(but if he continous to play like he does currently in the Euroleague and the ACB, be will be a top tem pick anyhow)
if both (Brewer and Fernandez) were on the board when the Spurs pick, I really had a hard time if I had to decide.
A quick update at the ASG break and just before the trade dealine (picks are good trade assets).
Spurs have the 27th, 34th and 57th pick in the 07 draft for the moment.
Spurs first round pick should be between 25th and 28th (add 30 for the second round pick).
Bucks pick should be between 33rd and 38th. Let's hope they will decide to tank.
Spurs don't get a pick from Bulls but they are only one game away to be a top 9 tema and to give Spurs the 52th pick. Maybe a Gasol trade can help them to be a top9 team.
so if the cows have a top9 team record we get their 2nd rounder? vice versa.
imagine we get the 4 picks, and dont resign anyone from the bench and let them all expired or retired
then we can always rebuild around tim duncan again
td/tp/gino
barry/oberto/ely/horry/bowen/finley/udrih/vaugn will leave or traded
which leaves bonner, white then euro scrubs who i think should be brought over, javtokas, scola, mahinmi
so thats 8 active players + 4 picks
we can always allow the 4 players pt and tank the season hahahaha
I like Carter from Texas A & M.
Carter likely comes out next year or later.
the Bucks pick looks better and better indeed. they are so bad, that they will end as the 3rd worst team in the league. and it does look as if they decided to tank the season. so it will likely be the no. 33 pick, in this deep draft quite usefull. might also be a way to move up a bit. 3 or 4 spots could be crucial, if some of the players strt to slip more than expected (Brewer? Al Thornton? Splitter? Fernandez? Belinelli ? Tucker?) and are suddenly in the reach of the Spurs. (Bobcats might talk about dealing the no.20 pick they get from Raptors for Spurs pick + Bucks 2nd rounder)
The Milwaukee pick is really aces considering we gave up all of Damir Markota for it. As mountainballah says, it'll likely be just a few steps behind the Spurs' 1st rounder, from 4-8 spots behind. I think Brewer will go lottery, but some of those other guys will probably be available in the late 1st, and it would not be utterly surprising to see an Alando Tucker or some other players drop into the second. As relatively crappy as this year has been, we've been overlooking how nice that pick is.
yes. it takes some of the pressure how to use the picks. (assuming that the Spurs don't use this pick as a trade bait at deadline, now that the value of this pick has increased)
Spurs can now use one pick more chancier (Arthur, Cook) and the other more conservative (on a nba-ready college senior like Tucker, Almond, Nichols, Law...whoever will be there)
Unfortunately the late 1st will empty out most every excellent player who drops, but there will be guys who drop slated in the late first. Unfortunately Acie Law projects as a lottery pick, but I'd sure as hope if he does a Marcus Williams slide the Spurs somehow can pounce. I think other seniors will slide, like always. Depending on how many underclassmen come in, at least a couple will get thrust into the second round. Alando Tucker would be great, or Afflalo, Almond, any of the guys you mention. I would not be thrilled with guys sometimes mentioned on msg boards like Nick Fazekas. We need athletic talent.
I think it's easily possible to come out of this draft with two solid rookies, one a SF and one a PG. Unfortunately the caliber of players who could help the most - Corey Brewer, Jeff Green/Acie Law - will likely be gone by those picks. I'll go ahead and dream now and say we get Green and Law. Two lifetime rotation guys who are potential starter caliber.
i think it could be possible, that this year it works similar to 2003. a good college senior like Josh Howard slipped that far, because to many teams thought, that he doesn't have enough upside left and will end up as an average bench player. same with Korver, James Jones and Luke Walton.
looking at this years draft board (as far as it can be judged right now), it looks quite similar to 2003. Spurs should learn from their mistake of 2003 and draft at least one college senior.
You people make me laugh. A late first rounder can be a lifetime rotation player and potential starter? Lucky if he sticks beyond his required rookie contract guarantee years. They're not much better than second rounders, and come with that guarantee albatross contract.
The best way to re-juve the roster is the Malik Rose, Antonio Daniels, Stephen Jackson route: players who have been in the L for a year or two, and who's teams give up on them too soon. Every year, there are a couple of decent ones who get caught in a numbers game and get cut. We nabbed White and Butler this year, but usually don't have a roster spot available. In the next couple of years, a few spots will open up.
exstatic, don't be an idiot. Josh Howard and Leandro Barbosa were both at the very end of the 1st. Get out of the discussion if you're not going to contribute.
is our picks are from 25th and down the order....
guys like tiago splitter, marcus williams, acker, nick young and almond are projected to be 20-25, if they slide down, we should go pick a sf/sg combo player instead of drafting bigs.
i prefer we trade all our 2nd rounders and move up including any n deals we can make......
Two out of how many? You make my argument for me...
The Spurs basically have 3 major needs.
1) Quality Bigmen (beyond Duncan)
2) The Long SF (Bowen's heir apparent)
3) Backup PG
Frankly, the Spurs probably won't look to draft bigs unless they get an absolute steal. A starting center is needed and unless Oden slips to them () they won't find a solution in the draft. And with several young bigs needing development (Butler, Mahinmi, Ely?) it makes little sense to add more youth. Factor in the possible signing of Scola and the draft seems further removed.
The Spurs should probably draft at least one SF with one of their 3-4 picks regardless of what they pick up in free agency. But honestly, Bowen is nearing the end of his time as his contract expires at the end of next season. That would leave exactly one season to fully groom any draft pick to assume starter minutes. Frankly, you won't find that guy at the 25th pick. The Spurs will probably look to sign a reasonable player via free agency to fill the upcoming void. The team does also have James White stashed away and he could perhaps grow into something special. So if the team takes a gamble on a second rounder SF they have essentially two chances to score it big. A player like Jonas Maciulis could be a wonderful steal with either the Spurs 2nd rounder or maybe Chicago's (top 51 pending). Jonas has the workings of a shorter Andres Nocioni and would be another Spurs late-draft steal. Obviously though if a player like Alando Tucker wandered into their grasp they would have to pull the trigger. Tucker could quickly step into a solid rotation role at either the 2/3 and is a good bet.
Beno has to go. There is obviously no place on the team for him and it is hurting the Spurs. Fortunately hes young and his contract is small. Therefore, trading Beno would be exceptionally easy. With Vaughn's contract up at the end of the year it leaves only TP at the point. I like the idea of bringing in Orien Greene, but the guy is obviously no backup at this point. The better bet might be to resign a guy like Vaughn next year for the league minimum and draft a young hopeful. Several good players are supposed to still be available at 25-28 that the Spurs might consider. Mustafa Shakur out of Arizona has been having a wonderful season and was ranked as the #2 PG coming out of HS (behind Chris Paul). Hes more of a playmaking PG so he would fit the mold of what Beno was supposed to be better than some other potential draftees. Bobby Brown of Cal-St Fullerton is also intriguing. He has been playing at a low-level of compe ion but obviously has the skills to be an NBA type of guy. Hes less of a playmaker at this point, but that could be because nobody on his team is really capable of scoring like he can. He'd be available very likely at 34 (Milwaukee's 2nd rounder) and could be nabbed if the Spurs took a guy like Alando Tucker in the first round. Another potential PG to watch is Yannick Bokolo. He currently is playing SG but is probably a little small for the position. He would be a nifty combo guard that the team could draft late in the 2nd and stash overseas for a few years.
How many lottery picks have been busts???
The point is not that the Spurs will "definitely" find a David Lee (not previously mentioned), Josh Howard, Leandro Barbosa, or player of that calibur, because it is somewhat unlikely. BUT...
No matter how much scouting is done, there are always players that get taken early on "potential" and never work out, just as there are players with little to no "upside" that seem to slip through the cracks. Drafting talent is not an exact science, so yes, it is possible for the Spurs to snag a productive role player or even future starter in the latter part of the first...
Some, but I'll bet most of those can be lumped into the category Big Man Drafted Too High.How many lottery picks have been busts???I think we basically agree that drafting is an inexact science. The Spurs realize it, too, and since they manage their cap figure as well as anyone in the league, they prefer to go and get some younger players that have a year or two in the league, like Malik, AD, SJax, Butler...rather than rolling the dice (and a multi-year guaranteed contract) on someone with no experience. I just think it's funny that some posters have so little knowledge of how SA operates that they project what THEY would do on to the organization and expect that everyone will acknowledge it as sound, and something the Spurs would do, even though it has no relation to what SA normally does, and in fact is diametrically opposed to it, like going after one of PHO picks in the first round. WTF?
The problem with what SA normally does is that it's clearly caused some problems for them in the last few years and there are plenty of suggestions that they regret what they've done or not done. How many articles have to come out mentioning their regret about passing on Josh Howard before people realize it's highly likely they use these picks on true rookies instead of throwing them away? How many times do we have to hear about how they tried to move up to get a Jarrett Jack or Jameer Nelson before we realize that not only will they try to do the same thing again this year, but they will not de facto avoid domestic players simply because they are not foreign.
There's a lot of speculation about what they'll do with these picks, sure, but it's all founded. The Spurs threw their picks away because the state of the team was far different than it is now. If you're in love with your 'Malik-type player', then you have your man in Jackie Butler. , James White probably counts in this way, too. To say they won't come out of the draft without a rookie on their roster is stupid.
I agree! They WILL come out of the draft without a draft rookie on the roster, not a first rounder, anyway.To say they won't come out of the draft without a rookie on their roster is stupid.
Seriously, I know what you were trying to say, and it is YOU who are stupid, based on history. Since 2001 When Parker was drafted, the Spurs have brought in exactly one first round rookie to their roster, Beno Udrih. Not much of a history for you to stand on and call people stupid, stupid. Do the numbers, and stop being an idiot. They have a roster of 15 now, the MAX. The only contracts that expire, for sure, are Vaughn, Bonner, and Ely. Bonner will probably be back, Ely, probably not. If Vaughn isn't back, he'll likely be replaced by a vet, since Beno sucks ass. That leaves us at 14 players with Bonner and probably a vet PG of some sort coming aboard. That leaves one spot for a player, probably one of ours from Europe or a young NBA player. A first round draft pick is a cap hit for the next three years. Not likely, with the 08 plan in place.
The Spurs consider the odds when they pick low in the 1st round--and that's the reason they select Euros in my opinion.
They DON'T have to give them a guaranteed multi year contract. It is about money--but it's also smart to bet with the odds.
Uh, yes they do, according to the CBA. ALL first round picks get a guaranteed mutli year contract. Well, in theory you can renounce the pick. Chicago did that one year late in the Jordan era (Travis Knight). How is that better than offloading it for second rounders, though?
I think the team is only on the hook now for 2 years if the player is really a stinker. Used to be 3 years guaranteed.
I might expect them to be more inclined to draft domestic this coming draft than in previous years because right before the season started they announced the hiring of a Director of College Player Personnel, George Felton.
It was unclear from the article that he had a predecessor, so I would venture that it is a new position for their scouts. I lost my old media guides as well.
If it's new . . . would the Spurs pay a salary to a guy with a le like 'Director' and then not use his advisement? Sure if the guys he likes are gone that's one thing, but it's not unreasonable to take Felton's hiring as a sign that they recognized they needed help domestic-wise.
Ex is pretty much dead on. If the 2008 Plan is in full effect, this first round pick is either going to be a draft-n-stash or traded away for a future pick or a player on a one-year contract (like the Speedy Claxton trade).
In the 13 drafts in the Popovich era, the Spurs have drafted in the first round and kept Cory Alexander, Tim Duncan, Tony Parker and Beno Udrih. One domestic pick in 13 drafts ... and Alexander was another attempted CIA Pop move because he was injured most of his junior and senior year so Pop told him to hide out so the Spurs could pick him. Basically, they've never taken a straight up domestic prospect in the Popovich era.
The Spurs have never traded for a first round draft pick under Pop. They've never traded up in the first round. To expect them to go out and pick a domestic talent for the first time in 14 years is wishful thinking. To think they are going to pick three or four domestic players is insane.
The most likely scenario is the Spurs use the first round pick on a draft-n-stash or trade it away. The second round pick would be used to draft a point guard (as long as Beno is traded by then). And whatever other picks the Spurs have in the draft will either be traded or used on Euros.
If the Spurs are going to extend the Beno saga one more season, I could very easily see them going into the draft with four picks and coming away with no players for next year's roster.
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