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    Elson's running is something that has been sorely lacking from the five spot since DRob retired. I think Elson is off to a good start learning the system, but he has a ways to go.

    That is what I really like that Elson brings to the table: speed and athleticism.

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    Robert Horry has averages 7 points 5 rebounds for his career (only 5 points and 3 boards as a Spur). I guess his presence wasn't crucial for the 2005 le either.
    averaging 5 points a game and a few rebounds a game is not the sin quo non of being crucial to the Spurs championship in 05. Rather, it suggests that any claim to being crucial to the championship run in 05 needs to be buttressed with some heroics.

    Did you get my drift, or am I being obtuse? I'll give you a month to think about it (Shawshank Redemption).

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    In response, I would have to say the obvious: Without Robert Horry's 5 of 6 3's and scoring 21 points in game 5, the Spurs probably don't win the Finals. Nazr Mohammed didn't do anything similar. Moreover, Horry is a better team defender than Nazr.

    I am sure that you are aware of this already, so I can't imagine what your response will be. Please notice that the reason that he was important is something he does not share with Nazr, viz. game winning shot in game 5 of the playoffs and 21 points against the Pistons in that game.
    With Parker and Duncan playing scared in pivotal Game 5 against the Sonics it was Nazr and Ginobili who carried the team and broke that game open with 24 straight points combined. Who knows what happens if the Spurs lost Game 5...they could have melted down in Game 6 just like in 2004.

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    With Parker and Duncan playing scared in pivotal Game 5 against the Sonics it was Nazr and Ginobili who carried the team and broke that game open with 24 straight points combined. Who knows what happens if the Spurs lost Game 5...they could have melted down in Game 6 just like in 2004.
    Game five was at home. The hard part is to bring it on the road.

    That's why the reserves do so well at home. They need the fan support, because they lack the talent and the toughness to do in front of a hostile arena.

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    Game five was at home. The hard part is to bring it on the road.

    That's why the reserves do so well at home. They need the fan support, because they lack the talent and the toughness to do in front of a hostile arena.
    I don't care about your analysis of home and road games lol. Stick to the point. Nazr stepped up at a crucial time JUST like Horry did in the Finals. If Seattle takes that game they're going back home with a 3-2 lead ready to close the Spurs out and from what I've seen of San Antonio they don't recover well from pivotal Game 5 losses. , they barely won Game 6.

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    With Parker and Duncan playing scared in pivotal Game 5 against the Sonics it was Nazr and Ginobili who carried the team and broke that game open with 24 straight points combined. Who knows what happens if the Spurs lost Game 5...they could have melted down in Game 6 just like in 2004.

    Duncan had 20 points and 14 rebounds. Tim hardly played scared.
    Nazr didn't get doubled or tripled like Tim does and Nazr scored fewer points.

    Did the Sonics ever even lead in that game. Stats say they never did.

    Manu had 39 points. Manu was key and nobody ever denied that.

    What would you know about winning this decade anyways, Chicago fan?
    Can't throw it in the Ocean. Even Phil Jackson is taunting you, saying that you are scoring challenged.

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    I don't care about your analysis of home and road games lol. Stick to the point. Nazr stepped up at a crucial time JUST like Horry did in the Finals. If Seattle takes that game they're going back home with a 3-2 lead ready to close the Spurs out and from what I've seen of San Antonio they don't recover well from pivotal Game 5 losses. , they barely won Game 6.
    speaking of barely, you all can barely score 70 points a game.

    You all have nothing to speak of.

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    I don't care about your analysis of home and road games lol. Stick to the point. Nazr stepped up at a crucial time JUST like Horry did in the Finals. If Seattle takes that game they're going back home with a 3-2 lead ready to close the Spurs out and from what I've seen of San Antonio they don't recover well from pivotal Game 5 losses. , they barely won Game 6.

    Horry hit a game winning shot in game 5 on the road.

    Nazr did not hit a game winning shot on the road in game 5.

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    I don't care about your analysis of home and road games lol. Stick to the point. Nazr stepped up at a crucial time JUST like Horry did in the Finals. If Seattle takes that game they're going back home with a 3-2 lead ready to close the Spurs out and from what I've seen of San Antonio they don't recover well from pivotal Game 5 losses. , they barely won Game 6.

    I guess you weren't invited to the parades in 99, 03 and 05.

    Won't be any parades in Chicago anytime soon.

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    When the Lakers pound you, you must be bad.

    Overrated.

    What's your record? Will you even make the playoffs?

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    I guess our friend from the windy city has to resort to hypothetical subjunctive if thens , since in the real world dealing with what really happened is not helpful for his arguments.

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    No. Nazr Mohammed is a better shotblocker than Francisco Elson. Always has been.
    O Rly?

    Career average of bocks per game:

    Elson - .6
    Nazr - .7

    Per 40 minutes:

    Elson - 1.5
    Nazr - 1.5

    So where exactly does the "much better shotblocker" part come in?

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    Duncan had 20 points and 14 rebounds. Tim hardly played scared.
    Nazr didn't get doubled or tripled like Tim does and Nazr scored fewer points.

    Did the Sonics ever even lead in that game. Stats say they never did.

    Manu had 39 points. Manu was key and nobody ever denied that.
    Numbers never tell the whole story. I've seen Duncan have absolutely terrible games and still get those kind of numbers. He's even done it this year lol. Duncan scored 1 more point than Nazr but had to take 11 more shots to do it.

    And are you some post count or what? Why can't you put your random dip thoughts in one post? Why do you have to make 5 posts in a row with one stupid sentence after the other?

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    Nazr had about 19 points total and about 18 rebounds for the first four games of that series. Yeah, that's five points and 4.5 rebounds a game. Not exactly worldbeating stats.

    He scores in game 5 (as he himself admitted) because of the presence of Tim Duncan and Manu Ginobili. He can't create scoring opportunities for himself.

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    Numbers never tell the whole story. I've seen Duncan have absolutely terrible games and still get those kind of numbers. He's even done it this year lol. Duncan scored 1 more point than Nazr but had to take 11 more shots to do it.

    And are you some post count or what? Why can't you put your random dip thoughts in one post? Why do you have to make 5 posts in a row with one stupid sentence after the other?
    Tim Duncan was double and tripled teamed because of the great low post scoring threat that he is. He shoots better than 50% from the field despite that fact. If you can't understand that, there's nothing I can do to help you.

    Do you not understand the meaning of the word random? My posts directly answer what you posted.

    If you say idiot things, then you will get called on it. That's just the way things are.

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    Punk comes in here, starts trying to throw the Spurs and Tim Duncan under the bus and he doesn't think anyone will call him on it?


    Anybody who can't appreciate Tim Duncan and his game, doesn't understand basketball very well.


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    Nazr had about 19 points total and about 18 rebounds for the first four games of that series. Yeah, that's five points and 4.5 rebounds a game. Not exactly worldbeating stats.

    He scores in game 5 (as he himself admitted) because of the presence of Tim Duncan and Manu Ginobili. He can't create scoring opportunities for himself.
    So? Horry averaged 5 points and 5 boards before his explosion in Game 5 of the Finals. Does that make his contribution at a crucial moment any less? No. Nazr stepped up during a crucial game of the Spurs run...FACT. Anything you say can't dispute that.

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    O Rly?

    Career average of bocks per game:

    Elson - .6
    Nazr - .7

    Per 40 minutes:

    Elson - 1.5
    Nazr - 1.5

    So where exactly does the "much better shotblocker" part come in?
    Check out his numbers since he was at NYK, fatty.

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    He scores in game 5 (as he himself admitted) because of the presence of Tim Duncan and Manu Ginobili. He can't create scoring opportunities for himself.
    And to answer another random dip post of yours. Robert Horry can't create for himself either. He lives on Duncan/Ginobili kickouts but that doesn't stop you from giving him credit does it?

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    So? Horry averaged 5 points and 5 boards before his explosion in Game 5 of the Finals. Does that make his contribution at a crucial moment any less? No. Nazr stepped up during a crucial game of the Spurs run...FACT. Anything you say can't dispute that.
    I don't see the two as equivalent because Nazr didn't hit a game winning shot. He didn't hit 5 of 6 from 3 and score 21 points from the last seconds of the third quarter to the final buzzer of overtime. Robert Horry did. Moreover, if we look at the intangibles, you are not going to find many people who think that Nazr does the intangible things that help you win basketball games as well as Robert Horry.

    Horry has made a career of hitting game winning shots in crucial situations. He is a high iq basketball player. He takes the charge, makes the pass, gets the loose rebound and hits the crucial shot.

    Nazr Mohammed < Robert Horry and if there are five people in America who disagree with that, I would be shocked.

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    And to answer another random dip post of yours. Robert Horry can't create for himself either. He lives on Duncan/Ginobili kickouts but that doesn't stop you from giving him credit does it?
    hitting a layup because you are wide open and hitting a 3 in a crucial situation are not equivalent.

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    BTW, in case you couldn't figure it out, many 4's don't like to go out and guard a 3 point shot.

    So, you need to address this in your post somewhere.

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    Hitmanyr2k believes that Nazr Mohammed > or = Robert Horry.


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    I don't see the two as equivalent because Nazr didn't hit a game winning shot. He didn't hit 5 of 6 from 3 and score 21 points from the last seconds of the third quarter to the final buzzer of overtime. Robert Horry did. Moreover, if we look at the intangibles, you are not going to find many people who think that Nazr does the intangible things that help you win basketball games as well as Robert Horry.

    Horry has made a career of hitting game winning shots in crucial situations. He is a high iq basketball player. He takes the charge, makes the pass, gets the loose rebound and hits the crucial shot.

    Nazr Mohammed < Robert Horry and if there are five people in America who disagree with that, I would be shocked.
    I don't give a if Horry > Nazr. Just admit Nazr stepped up during a crucial game of the Spurs run.

    hitting a layup because you are wide open and hitting a 3 in a crucial situation are not equivalent.
    Points are points. I don't give a where they come from. Horry was brought in to hit 3 pointers. Nazr was brought in to give an inside presence opposite Duncan. Both were adequate enough to get the job done during crucial moments/games and don't deserve to be short-changed.

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    Check out his numbers since he was at NYK, fatty.

    Don't you think that Nazr probably had a reason why he told Pop that he was not a good shot blocker and never had been?


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