New Coaches' poll has A&M at #10

[willie]

kinda dumb to argue that A&M has a weak non-conference schedule this season, but it's the internets so someone will do so.

[MajorMike]

#1 UCLA
#6 LSU
Winthrop (going to make the tourney)
Pacific (going to win their conference and make their tourney)
Auburn (will benefit the SOS from them being in the SEC)
Saint Louis (already defeated, will be solid in C-USA)

This list will be remembered and made fun of at a later.

[Jimcs50]

Ags are #6 now

[Jimcs50]

Winthrop? Are you serious? .

Winthrop just lost by 3 pts in Madison last night to #8 Wisconsin in OT and had an open look at a 3 to send it into double OT.

You were saying?

[johngateswhiteley]

Winthrop just lost by 3 pts in Madison last night to #8 Wisconsin in OT and had an open look at a 3 to send it into double OT.

You were saying?

...yep, i saw that too. go get him Jim.

[MajorMike]

Yawn. Losing means no chance in , right jgw?

[johngateswhiteley]

Yawn. Losing means no chance in , right jgw?

...did i ever say ok state would not be good? did i ever say the games would not be close? i just said they wouldn't win either game...and they didn't.

winthrop is a good team, they just lost to someone better.

[MajorMike]

No, you said "...no chance in " and later followed it up by saying you were right, because a loss is a loss.

Winthrop is not a good team. They will finish with a RPI of around 80. That is not a good team. OSU's RPI was 89 last year, and we were horrid.

[johngateswhiteley]

No, you said "...no chance in " and later followed it up by saying you were right, because a loss is a loss.

Winthrop is not a good team. They will finish with a RPI of around 80. That is not a good team. OSU's RPI was 89 last year, and we were horrid.

yeah, i know what i said. and i did say, "no chance in " which also means they would lose....and they did.

[Doug Collins]

No, you said "...no chance in " and later followed it up by saying you were right, because a loss is a loss.

Winthrop is not a good team. They will finish with a RPI of around 80. That is not a good team. OSU's RPI was 89 last year, and we were horrid.

If we're gonna get technical OSU actually had an RPI of 95 last year, and Winthrop had an RPI of 73. I guess since you only watch OSU you didn't know that Winthrop took Tennessee, #8 in RPI, to the limit in the tourney and only lost by 2. Granted they are a small school, but they have a good history of playing well in the NCAA tournament and against much larger programs during the regular season.

[MajorMike]

If we're gonna get technical OSU actually had an RPI of 95 last year, and Winthrop had an RPI of 73. I guess since you only watch OSU you didn't know that Winthrop took Tennessee, #8 in RPI, to the limit in the tourney and only lost by 2. Granted they are a small school, but they have a good history of playing well in the NCAA tournament and against much larger programs during the regular season.

Uh... no.
89 Oklahoma St 17-15 0.5448 13.8 14.2 0.4929 0.5728 0.5406 45 0.5621 78 0.5544
90 Northeastern 18-11 0.5424 16.4 8.6 0.6560 0.5018 0.5100 145 0.5045 109 0.5336

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91 DePaul 12-15 0.5421 10.8 14.6 0.4252 0.5907 0.5617 16 0.5810 89 0.5469
92 UNLV 17-13 0.5419 13.8 11.4 0.5476 0.5490 0.5219 75 0.5400 90 0.5466
93 Iowa State 15-14 0.5418 12.6 14.0 0.4737 0.5750 0.5436 39 0.5645 80 0.5527
94 Davidson 17-10 0.5410 14.2 6.8 0.6762 0.4998 0.4881 162 0.4959 115 0.5293
95 Notre Dame 15-13 0.5403 12.2 12.6 0.4919 0.5591 0.5508 52 0.5564 83 0.5512
96 Nebraska 19-13 0.5391 14.6 12.6 0.5368 0.5432 0.5334 76 0.5399 79 0.5534


And, yes, Winthrop DID have an RPI of 73. Nice job. Now please show me where I said what their RPI was last year. They were 82 the year before that, 210 the year before that, 183, 217, 188, 143, 153, 295, 250, 284, 276 and 274 dating back to the 1993-94 season, since you are wanting to know what they used to be. Why does it matter what they were in 1994? It doesn't anymore than it matters what they were last year. Last year was the best season ever in Winthrop basketball.

Since you want to show how good they did against a good team, it MUST be relavant to you that "Craig Bradshaw buried a soft hook shot with 9.1 seconds left to help Winthrop beat Coastal Carolina 51-50 in the Big South Conference le game on Saturday to earn an automatic berth into the NCAA tournament." That's Coastal Carolina they beat to get in the dance. Coastal Carolina was 16-10. They almost lost to them, at home (they tourney was played on their home court). Why does it matter? It doesn't, anymore than who they played or lost to in the tourney. They were a #15 seed. That means out of ALL the automatic qualifiers in ALL the stupid little nowhere conferences, the NCAA only thought they were better than about 5 or 6 of them, and THAT'S considering that there 10 teams with worse RPIs than them.

Their history of playing well in the tourney still leaves them 0-5 all time. You guys kill me. You are so wrapped around the axel to show what a nice schedule that you are trying to build Winthrop up as a good team. This is most likely the most pathetic tangent I have ever seen. Winthrop, while they may be a big wig in the highly touted South Conf, sucks. And don't say that they are good just because they made it to the NCAA... 16-15 Hampton (RPI 285) was in the NCAA last year.

[BeerIsGood!]

The beautiful thing about college basketball - RPI means absolutely nothing since there is that nice little tourney in March that decides the true Champion.

Congrats to AM for the great start. It's going to be a fun season.

[RonMexico]

Winthrop? Are you serious? So far 2 of their 1st 6 games have been against 1AA opps, which is left out of the formula, and 2 of their next 4 will be against 1AA opps. Before they play atm, they play @ No Ill, @ Wisc, @ ECar, @ Old Dom, plus the 2 1AA opps. I hope you don't want to hang your SOS on them. For future reference: if you want to make an intelligent arguement to make it sound like you know something about SOS... don't include Winthrop.

It was already a given and metioned several times that atm is playing UCLA and LSU. I didn't need to reiterate. I did, however, talk about LSU, but I guess you glazed over that.

I also know atm plays Auburn. To be honest, Auburn sucks, and will finish near or below .500 this year, I just didn't want to bash them because OSU just beat them. They are also very poor on the SOS scale for atm, so you might want to do a little research before you attempt to talk smack. You will get no boost from Winthrop or Auburn, for certain. Also, your one 'quality' RPI win is again Saint Louis, and with the fact that they have 5 300+ and an additional 5 200+ teams left on their sched, I seriously doubt they finish there. Figured into their SOS are Xavier x 2 (#4), Richmond (#23), Missouri State (#26), La Salle (#38), Loyola, Chi (#51).


Your final RPI was 44 and only 4 teams with a lower RPI were selected as an at-large, which means you were one of the 'Last 5 In." Yes, agreed, that doesn't mean squat once you are in, but it means alot if you don't GET in, plus it is big for who you play and where you play.

For example, atm got a 10 seed after being 21-8 and 4th place in B12. By contrast, Wisconsin was 19-11, lost their last 3, 4th in B11, and they got a 8 seed. Boston College was 25-7, 3rd place, and got a 2 seed. Mich State was a 6th place team at 21-11 and got a 5 seed. All of the mentioned teams had RPI ratings in the Top 20, and the lowest SOS of that group was Wisc at #22. Arizona was 19-12, 4th place, and got a 9 seed with the #23 RPI and #24 SOS. atm was #44 and #35 SOS.

The entire point is that scheduling poor opps early hurts you later. Don't get all pissy and attempt to bring it hard and make yourself look silly when someone is just showing the numbers. You are trying to pull a KState, by claiming elite status beating up on nobodies. Don't get mad at me for showing it, get mad at your AD for scheduling it.



As you can see, early season can be deceiving. On Dec 1 last year, KState was #1 RPI at 4-0. They finished 15-13, #110. On 29 Nov, Auburn lost to then #10 ranked 6-0 Colorado State and moved up to #24. Colo St ended up 14-15, #151 and Auburn 12-16, #116.

Up until yesterday, Nebraska was #1 RPI because they had only beaten Creighton (and 2 1AA teams that aren't figured in formula). After beating 0-4 Pine Bluff, they dropped to RPI #9. Pretty sure they aren't gonna stay there long.

Go yourself, CaptMike

[RonMexico]

This list will be remembered and made fun of at a later.

Go ahead and make fun of it, asshole.

Remember to put OSU on there (as NIT-bound)