What I would have liked to have seen last night was for Pop to train Beno as he did Tony-yell at him for whatever he did/ did not do and then put him back in the game.
I will give Pop that in yesterday's situation he was trying to win a close game against Dallas and could have felt Vaughn was the best fit.
That said I think it would be vindictive and unhelpful for Pop to bench Beno on this road trip.
I hope that last post made sense. It took me a half hour to write- I had no customers at all in the mall until opened the reply box and then they kept coming.
Anyway, all that to say I have faith in Pop as a coach and a lot of faith in Beno as our back up point guard.
I am optimistic that everything will work out well.
Ummm... I'm not sure the le of your thread is open to much interpretation unless 7>4 only some of the time?
I agree that his defense has been hideous but I disagree that the coaching staff has been giving him a free pass. Pop roasted him in the press in a way I have never seen him attack a player publicly in a long time, if ever.If he's not going to bring effort defensively, I don't agree with letting him have the backup point guard job just because the Spurs have no other options. Beno needs to start trying and it'd help if the entire Spurs Nation including the coaching staff stopped giving him a free pass.
Anyhow, I'm glad you agree with me that it was dumb of Pop to keep him on the bench in favor of Vaughn in the 4th. Pop's heavy handedness and stubborness pisses me off sometimes and in this case it might have contributed to us losing a very close game. You can get in Beno's face and bench him for a while but there's no reason to bench him for the entire game.
It's clear that Pop has his favorites. Antonio Daniels was his whipping boy for years and now Beno seems to be the replacement. There's a designated one every year. Last year Barry was benched and almost traded for playing twice as well as Finley has been playing this season. Let's not forget that Beno's supporting cast on the second unit is shooting around 35% as a team so he's certainly not the only problem.
I don't know what part of LJ's logic you are missing.
Saying Jacque > Beno does not necessarily mean Jacque is the answer at backup ponit.
It means Beno had better make himself the answer or we need to find someone else to be the answer.
Sorry, I may be slow, however:
le of the thread: Jacque Vaughn > Beno Udrih
and
Could you please explain me the logic behind. Saying "JV > BU" and at the same time "Vaughn is third string PG" just doesn't make much sense, except if timvp thinks that Beno should be fourth string!
I still remember, how timvp praised NVE last season and even after game 6 (!!) of semi, he wrote, that he expect from NVE to bust-out. All Spurs got from NVE was just big bust, and I can't remember timvp to constatly rub NVE's ass for poor performance (or questioning Pop's 2nd worst decision of the season i.e. playing NVE - 1st was small ball).
I know, that Beno is no All-Star material, however he is getting more criticism as he deserves from certain members of this board. At the same time some good performances are judged as "fluke".
Please, at least try to stay objective.
He has said that Beno has played that way.Could you please explain me the logic behind. Saying "JV > BU" and at the same time "Vaughn is third string PG" just doesn't make much sense, except if timvp thinks that Beno should be fourth string!We are.Please, at least try to stay objective.
Vaughn fits this team as a third point guard.
Beno may not fit this team as a second point guard.
This team needs a second point guard.
No.Jacque Vaughn > Beno Udrih
Why do people alway look at stats and numbers?
Just because Beno doesn't have a high assist average doesn't mean he is not a good passer. Many times the pass that sets up an assist is more just as or more important as the actual assist itself.
Many of you were saying if Beno could cut down on his mistakes and turnovers you be okay with him. I haven't seem make the turnovers as much this year so far against pressure.
I haven't seen anybody really pressure Beno this year, so I don't know how he'll react.
There is a strange lack of consistency on this forum. No, I don't mean about Beno's play. I just read the "Grades" for the Miami game.
Beno was in the mid 80s for that game--but the kicker is that his grade for the season was 76, only one point behind Parker, everyone's candidate for the All-Star game this year.
Beno doesn't have that high of a standard to live up to. If he comes in and doesn't make too many mistakes, he is going to be graded well because his job is to keep the team afloat. If he does more than that -- like hit a few shots or make some good passes -- he's going to grade really well.
Parker as the starting point guard and the guy in control of the ball for the Spurs most of the time, probably has to do the most to live up to expectations. For him to qualify as having a good game, he has to score 20+ points, shoot well, pass well, push the ball well, defend well and limit turnovers.
I wonder how much slack beno would get if he was grotesque and smelled of spoiled sandwhiches.
Exactly. Beno's game for the year is passing for his talents, but not above average, based on his ability.
So far, methinks Vaughn hasn't played enough to get a bench mark for his play.
They both suck. God, I wanted the Spurs to pull a backup PG so badly in the offseason. That was the second biggest weakness on the team last year, and it might be the #1 this season.
So backup point guards aren't growing on trees anymore??
Why is his +/- stat still among the best?
T. Duncan 104
M. Ginobili 76
B. Bowen 75
B. Barry 56
B. Udrih 42
F. Oberto 39
R. Horry 33
T. Parker 31
F. Elson 12
M. Finley 8
J. Vaughn 0
1 or 2 good games can't be the answer.
Where did you get those +/- numbers?
Beno is the third worst on the team in +/- only ahead of Finley and Elson.
nba.comWhere did you get those +/- numbers?
Beno is the third worst on the team in +/- only ahead of Finley and Elson.
Still funny?
Yes. Rather funny that the NBA has bad stats published. I'll add them up manually when I have the time but I'd go with the site that has been tracking +/- for years (82games.com).
IMO Beno looked good against Dallas (the first game), Chicago and Houston. He was okay in a garbage game against the Heat.
But mostly he has been chucking, shooting poorly, and playing non-existent D.
I have faith that his shot will come around because I know he's a good shooter.
I just hope it happens very soon so that Pop doesn't go to Vaughn a lot. Because even if Beno can't defend, if he shoots well and can handle the ball, he will stay on the floor. But if he does none of it, then Pop is stuck using Vaughn. And I don't think that's good for the team in the long run.
Duncan +17.3
Barry +8.5
Ginobili +7.7
Parker +7.6
Oberto +0.2
Horry -1.2
Bowen-5.1
Udrih -5.6
Vaughn -5.9
Finley -7.0
Bonner -9.3
Elson -10.0
Butler -26.7
According to 82games.com
Well, another game and another Beno benching. Beno got blown by on defense again, this time by Luke Ridnour.
He also handled a two-for-one situation at the end of the third about as poorly as one can handle it. He somehow managed to take a bad shot and then play such bad defense that Ridnour got a shot off to make it a two-for-one for the Sonics
Beno's defense right now is bottom 10 in the league. Seriously.
Pop got really mad at him tonight after the blown 2-for-1.
I think this is when he came off the court.
Jannero Pargo looks like Chris Paul compared to this pretty boy stiff.
Pargo sucks.
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