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    I can live with it JoeChalupa's Avatar
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    So much for the healing after the election.

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    Fact is, before Nov 2nd, most Euro didn't blame ordinary Americans for our arrogant Middle east policies - they blamed our Government. However, this election, as I have pointed out many times, was a referendum on the policies of George Walker Bush, and by re-electing him, we have lived up to our growing reputation in Europe as the ugly, arrogant Americans. Now let me ask you, is that any way to convince our allies that we need them in this war on terrorism and in Iraq?

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    Who is this guy, again? travis2's Avatar
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    Don't jump to conclusions, Joe...most of us still think you're an OK guy...

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    say what you want, Dan but I am the only who decides who I vote for. Because I voted for Bush had nothing to do with anybody else but me and because the guy I voted for won, doesn't make me part of the herd.

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    Joe is more than an ok guy. I consider him a friend!

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    Hey Dan, with all the posting you do, and assuming you have a job, do you feel any remorse about stealing from your employer for chasing and posting conspiracies while you should be working?
    I am self-employed. I don't need corporate welfare to take care of me or mine.

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    say what you want, Dan but I am the only who decides who I vote for. Because I voted for Bush had nothing to do with anybody else but me and because the guy I voted for won, doesn't make me part of the herd.
    A view that any sane person should be able to respect.

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    I think moderate Democrats, like Joe, need to break off and form their own party or kick the loonies out. Just my humble opinion..

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    However, this election, as I have pointed out many times, was a referendum on the policies of George Walker Bush, and by re-electing him,
    ...the American people rejected your argument. Get a clue chump.

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    Joe is more than an ok guy. I consider him a friend!
    as do I.

    and thanks, Hook.

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    I am self-employed. I don't need corporate welfare to take care of me or mine.
    Me too Dan! I had a good Republican rain the other day and my grass needs harvesting. Have fun posting without me. I must go cut the grass cause I'm self employed.

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    The democratic party must get back to our core values.
    That it’s morally wrong to give huge tax cuts to the rich while cutting social programs for the poor and working class—especially when the gap between the rich and everyone else is wider than it’s been in more than a century.
    And I'm not for government handouts and I do believe in sensible spending.
    I know I about the deficit but I don't like to see veterans returning from duty and having to wait 6-9 months to get treatment. If we can send billions to Iraq surely we can find a billion to make sure that our military get the best treatment available.
    That we have a moral obligation to give every American child a good education and decent health care.
    I too believe in moral issues.

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    The breakdown of voter demographics proves that neither hispanic, nor Asians, nor African-Americans showed up in any great number to support Republican causes. The one great unifyer for the right was 'moral values", but who's moral values? and isn't this just coded wording for 'no gots in my church'?
    I'm sorry, but I believe you're trying to classify me as a biggot or racist of some sort. I take great offense to that Dan. You don't know me, my race, or what if any religious associations I am affiliated with. You are ignorant about all of this, yet you are so quick to pass judgement.

    I hate to break this to you, but moral values weren't even a top 5 reason for me to vote for Bush. Like I said earlier, your vote isn't based on what your candidate can do, just that he isn't the candidate that you have such a hate hard on for. I voted for the guy that is the best, not against the guy I didn't like.

    Alas, I know you will never change. The further you are pressed to explain yourself the shallower your responses get, the clearer it is to ALL that your goals are out of alignment. You fight the impossible fight, you are the boxer with no arms.

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    "The democratic party must get back to our core values.
    That it’s morally wrong to give huge tax cuts to the rich while cutting social programs for the poor and working class..."
    It's morally wrong to soak, via taxation, those that provide the jobs to the working class thereby reducing the capital that would be used to expand business and create jobs.
    "...—especially when the gap between the rich and everyone else is wider than it’s been in more than a century."
    Some would argue that government en lements have driven people to a dependency class where there is no incentive to be a member of the "middle-class" and that those who eschew the government handouts are those that have excelled in wealth and that this is the reason for a vacation of the middle-class. Also, some would argue that even our most poor are wealthier than those in a majority of the world and, wealthier even, that the American poor of just a decade ago.
    "And I'm not for government handouts and I do believe in sensible spending."
    Sounds like you are...at least, you're in favor of a force redistribution of wealth from the "haves" to the "have nots."
    "I know I about the deficit but I don't like to see veterans returning from duty and having to wait 6-9 months to get treatment. If we can send billions to Iraq surely we can find a billion to make sure that our military get the best treatment available."
    I'm not saying we don't have a some distance to go in the realm of Veteran's care. However, the Veteran's administration is receiving more money under the Bush administration (in real or inflation-adjusted dollars) than from any previous administration. It'll catch up.
    "That we have a moral obligation to give every American child a good education and decent health care."
    Maybe as Americans but, certainly not as a government.
    "I too believe in moral issues."
    I don't recall anyone accusing you of being immoral...just confused.

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    The irony of this thread is most of the hate I see in it (particularly towards sexuals) is being spewed by a die hard liberal.

    Go figure.

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