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When the Democrats stop acting blameless and realize their own role in alienating moderates from their party...the better off the party will be.
Until then...there are guys like this...
Still Missing the Big Picture About This Election
by galiel
Wed Nov 3rd, 2004 at 06:23:59 PST
This is not about Republicans or Democrats.
This is not about the war.
This is not about the economy.
This is not even about counting the votes.
This is the final step in the 20-year creeping coup by the theocrats, the Dominionists.
In the House and the Senate, the theocrats made dramatic advances, far beyond the number of seats that switched parties. On the GOP side, they have replaced moderates with zealots, and have significantly strengthened the support for the main theocrat bills that will be reintroduced in the new Congress.
You can hear it in the media's codewords: this election did NOT turn on Iraq or the economy or security, it turned on "moral values", the politically correct code-word for theocratic values, i.e., placing one's religion above the laws of man. Exit polls show that "moral values" were the most common #1 concern among voters, and that among those who marked "moral values" as their primary concern, 80% voted for Bush. Every state that had a same-sex marriage ban up for decision voted the theocrat way.
Diaries :: galiel's diary ::
When analysis of local races around the nation becomes available, it will become clear that theocrats have advanced everywhere, gaining control of even more school boards, gaining even more representation in city councils, winning even more seats in state legislatures.
Make no mistake, this election was the keystone of the theocrat coup. All that is left now is carrying out the agenda and changing the laws of this nation irrevocably to gut the Bill of Rights and establish a Dominionist government in America.
IN the coming days, Reinquist and others will resign, including half of the exhausted courageous liberals and moderates who held the line longer than anyone expected, and Bush will appoint a solid theocrat majority to the Supreme Court, and the Dems will not be able to stop it, fillibuster or not. The Dominionists have enough stealth candidates to push through like they pushed through Thomas, and the public pressure will be irressistible. In the next four years, theocrats will fill life-time appointments in the judiciary all over the nation, and essentially open the gates for the coming theocratic legislative agenda.
The administration will complete the overhaul of the science advisory committees and the Dept of Health and Human Services, laying the ground work for the overturning of Roe v. Wade and ending all biological research deemed objectionable to the theocrats.
They will complete their overhaul of the Education Department, starting a process of eliminating evolution from the national debate and working with the local and state boards, where they have now increased their control, to introduce creationism into the curriculum.
They will complete their overhaul of the Energy, Agriculture, Interior and EPA, which are already ridden with theocrats who reject the theory of evolution, and thus the concept of "fossil fuels", believing instead that their god has placed energy resources in the earth in just the right amounts for human domination of nature.
As soon as the theocrat majority is esconsed in the Supreme Court, Congress will pass three key theocrat bills, which already passed the House this time around and will pass the Senate next time around:
The Marriage Protection Act, which would bar federal courts, including the Supreme Court from intervening in cases involving a state's recognition of another state's civil rights bills regarding marriage;
The Pledge Preservation Act, which would bar the federal courts, including the Supreme Court, from hearing challenges to the "Under God" part of the pledge;
The big one, the Cons ution Restoration Act, which would bar the federal courts, including the Supreme Court, from hearing any challenges to violations of the Establishment Clause, the bill having been written by Harb us, who defended former Judge Roy Moore, the "Ten Commandments" judges. The bill goes even further, potentially barring challenges to the constiutionality of state laws, for example, mandating stoning for adultery, if such laws are based on Old Testament rationale.
(I know you read this and think, "ridiculous, this could never happen here". You have a choice now, you can listen to those of us who have been predicting the current outcome for a long time, or you can continue to listen to those who predicted a different outcome and who still misinterpret actual results according to a Pollyanish worldview that refuses to acknowledge the critical danger to our nation and think this is "just another bad election")
Now, most people don't understand what is really going on here.
They focus on phobia as the issue, or they trivialize the Pledge issue as not being critical to Separation traditions.
The real point is that the theocrats are constricting the courts' ability to challenge the establishment of religion in this country. Making this a Christian Dominionist nation based on literal interpretation of Old Testament law is an explicit part of the theocrat agenda.
I warned before the election that they were one victory away, and that they would win no matter what the actual vote was, because they are zealots who would do anything to win, including fraud on a massive scale that folks here just don't want to even concieve, because they have never looked radical religious extremism in the face the way I have, having lived in Israel for 13 years in the past.
The theocrats will not be stopped, because Americans refuse to believe that it could happen here.
It is just like Germany in the 20's---not like McCarthyism in the 50's. This is far worse, but denial is rampant, because we just don't want to believe that our America could fall to Christian Taliban.
We've already reached the tipping point. It is only a matter of time, unless people wake up--and I don't think they will, the taboo on confronting the dark side of religion is just too strong here in America.
What about Ohio, you say?
The judges deciding matters in Ohio, like the two judges that allowed challenges inside the polling places, are theocrats - one was the author of the original draft of the Thornburgh brief urging the Supreme Court to overturn Roe V. Wade, the other was the dissenting voice in cases about 10 Commandment displays on government property.
You think it is a coincidence that Ohio is the first place where statewide, the teaching of creationism has been mandated in science class?
Wake up, America!
Thus, the election is already over, even though I personally think that Kerry won, not only Ohio, but states like Florida, and may even have won the popular vote, so deep is the fraud, led by the electronic voting machines--not just those people actually use to vote, but far more significantly those used to tally the votes, carefully placed in key districts, carefully managed behind the scenes, vote totals manipulated with no way for an audit or verification.
But, unless you understand who is actually behind this election victory, you probably dismiss that as hysterical tin-foil paranoia. Surely, you think, the margins in places like Florida are beyond contesting.
That is because you still think this is just a struggle between two competing parties in a democracy. That is because you just don't get it.
This was a coup.
All I can say is, the folks who predicted morning in America have egg on their faces today, even as the struggle continues in Ohio. You choose who to listen to. The future of America is at stake, not just the next four years.
Because this is NOT about the surface issues.
I will write more about this in the coming days, when I get some sleep, can see straight, rage turns to cold anger, and the agenda starts to unfold.
I honestly do not believe I will be heard, but I can't live with myself if I don't at least try.
When the Democrats stop acting blameless and realize their own role in alienating moderates from their party...the better off the party will be.
Until then...there are guys like this...
The Democrats are already the party of moderates, check the final vote breakdown.
You are in complete denial Dan! Why don't you look deeply as to why your party lost the election instead of blaming "rich" "white" "conservative" Americans. It's clear that the majority don't agree with you in your analysis. You can buck the trend or come to your senses and try to understand those who do not agree with you.
Dan, let me ask you something.
Where do you or anybody else get the right to tell someone they are wrong because of how they voted? You may not like the guy someone votes for or the reason they voted for that person but you have to respect a persons right to vote for who they choose. I vote for who I think is the best person for the job. It doesn't matter what anyone else thing. That is my right as an American. You have the right to vote for who you want and to express that opinion. No one has the right to try and impose their beliefs or opinions on others and that is exactly what this author is doing.
Who is the one in denial again? George Bush won because he was able to motivate his evangelical base. Thank you, Jerry Falwell and John Hagee. However, these extremists on the far right do not represent the majority of the people in the United States. You are seriously diluded if you think otherwise.
I agree with that but that still does not give anyone the right to tell me how I should vote or that I "missed the big picture" because I didn't do something they way someone else wanted me too.However, these extremists on the far right do not represent the majority of the people in the United States
I made no mention of Jerry Falwell or John Hagee or Enavgecal base. I said "moral America". "Most" Americans do not agree with you. Take a look at the vote again. I believe in God but I do not go around preaching everyday. Are you gonna label me part of the Evangical base? I'm trying to reason with you. Not run you down. If you don't want to discuss this, don't post anymore.
Thomas Freidman is one of the most knowledgable people on Middle East policy. He recently quit writing columns just so he could travel through the Middle East and get a jest of what affect U.S. policy is having in the region. Now that's commitment. Something you won't ever see Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity or loud-mouthed Glennbeck types.Where do you or anybody else get the right to tell someone they are wrong because of how they voted? You may not like the guy someone votes for or the reason they voted for that person but you have to respect a persons right to vote for who they choose. I vote for who I think is the best person for the job. It doesn't matter what anyone else thing. That is my right as an American. You have the right to vote for who you want and to express that opinion. No one has the right to try and impose their beliefs or opinions on others and that is exactly what this author is doing.
If you want to learn about plumbing, you become a plumbing apprentice, if you want to learn about electricity, you become a electrical apprentice, but if you want to learn anything about the Middle East all you have to do is religiously read Freidman's columns, the man simply knows what he is talking about. As someone who proclaims to know the real issues well enough to 'make up your own mind' about who to vote for, I shouldn't have to be telling you this. It should be common knowledge by now.
My job here isn't to tell anyone who or how to vote in any election, but to simply help them know the real facts, and quit falling for Republican double-speak and apologists. Before you attack my creditentials, improve yours.
You have no credentials to attack. You are utterly without credibility.
Your missing the big picture because you simply don't know what you don't know. Let me ask you, have you traveled much outside of the U.S.?I agree with that but that still does not give anyone the right to tell me how I should vote or that I "missed the big picture" because I didn't do something they way someone else wanted me too.
How does voting for some one who actually tries to get things done a religious thing? I could not vote for Kerry for two reasons. He offered me nothing over Bush. And he has no record to prove he could do a better job. I think the main difference between you and I Dan comes down to one thing. You voted for Kerry because he's not Bush. I voted for Bush because he is Bush.
speaking of no crediblity.You have no credentials to attack. You are utterly without credibility.
The only time travis makes an appearance is to attack. Go back to your hole and hide little man, Bin Laden is coming to get you!
Oh !!!!!! Dan ain't gonna like this one!
speaking of no crediblity.
The only time travis makes an appearance is to attack. Go back to your hole and hide little man, Bin Laden is coming to get you!
Bring it on, brownshirt.
I don't doubt you know exactly what Bin Laden is up to, him being a buddy of yours and all...
Barack Obama is the future of the Democratic party.
We will become the party of conservative democrats such as myself and Henry Cuellar, although I am pro-choice I do support lower taxes.
Moderate democrats needs to step up to the plate.
I do believe that my support for John Kerry was due to my support of pro-choice and legal civil unions. I want our military to be fully supported and the veterans hospitals must get the funding they need.
Senator John McCain and Joe Lieberman can work together and so can America.
Let's move on!!
Are you telling me that someone who hasn't traveled outside the U.S. is incapable of understanding the big picture?
Now 'ol Dan's gonna be exposed as a "rich" "white" "liberal" who can afford international travel.
The breakdown of voter demographics proves that neither hispanic, nor Asians, nor African-Americans showed up in any great number to support Republican causes. The one great unifyer for the right was 'moral values", but who's moral values? and isn't this just coded wording for 'no gots in my church'?How does voting for some one who actually tries to get things done a religious thing? I could not vote for Kerry for two reasons. He offered me nothing over Bush. And he has no record to prove he could do a better job. I think the main difference between you and I Dan comes down to one thing. You voted for Kerry because he's not Bush. I voted for Bush because he is Bush.
The fact is that Kerry lost.
I've come to deal with it and will move on and work towards 2008.
you Travis. What's wrong? you put your ugly kids in the closet again?Bring it on, brownshirt.
Thank you Joe! Please try to relay that to Dan.
I'll tell you something - the move to impeach George W. Bush begins today. Not four years from now.
Bring it on you Commie Bas !
Posting articles gives you creditentials?My job here isn't to tell anyone who or how to vote in any election, but to simply help them know the real facts, and quit falling for Republican double-speak and apologists. Before you attack my creditentials, improve yours.
You are doing it again. You are accusing me of falling for double-speak and not giving me credit for being able to make an informed choice. Just because I didn't make the same choice you did doesn't mean I am incapable of making an informed choice. I have all the "creditentials" I need to vote. I am an American citizen who exercised his right to vote. I did a lot of research on the issues, and weighed those against what I believe. I considered voting for John Kerry. There were many things about him that I liked, in the end I thought George Bush was the better man for the job. In four years, he might prove me wrong but he earned my vote to try and prove to me I made the right choice.
Not that it matters...but I lived for several years in Germany.
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