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You think Outlaw is available with our pieces? I don't think he's available at all at this point, much less for what we have.
Maybe Barry + Scola would be appealing to them.
You think Outlaw is available with our pieces? I don't think he's available at all at this point, much less for what we have.
Maybe next summer, but this year I don't think you give up Barry at all.
I dont think Barry's trade value will ever be higher than what it already is
No, but we can't afford to lose him.
oh yes, we do.
look at the Bobcats big men situation. the contract of Melvin Ely will expire and Brezec will likely opt-out of his (low salary) contract.
both struggle anyhow, so i doubt they want them back at any price. (for sure they don't want Ely back).
so Butler (and his type of contract) might be exactly what they want as a repleacement.
the other question mark for them is Brevin Knight. they have a team option 2007, but if they could find a younger (and cheaper) repleacement, they would be interested. so they might also be interested in Beno.
and they could be quite interested in Scola as well, because Harrington is also a end-of-range model.
the offer of Butler+Beno+Scola rights (+some more players to makes the numbers work, they could include Ely and we include E.Williams).
i see both teams win, as well as the involved players.
Spurs get the starting calibre SF (and Bowen successor) they need. at 24 he still has a lot of upside and he has all the tools Spurs would need. (forget the fact that he's "only" 6-7, with his long hands and elevation he can play like 6-9)
IMO Wallace will love to stay with the Spurs, who could offer him a decent long term contract. (starting at some 6 million for example, this is possible with Williams and Bonner off the books and the salaries of Brent and Horry the year after).
the Bobcats win, because they get 3 players with small contracts and upside (I assume Scola would sign for 3 million / years) who could all turn out to be very helpfull for them as complementary players alongside the core of Felton/Okafor/Morrison.
mountainballer, if you figure out a way to get Wallace on the Spurs and it happens, I'll buy you a coke.
This is an extremely frustrating topic to address because many here in the Spurs community have been clamoring for them to address this need. The weaknesses and flaws at this position are being exposed (i.e. recent game vs Lakers). Surely if we've seen this need, the brass must've seen it too - yet they did nothing.
As some have stated already, Barry and Finley are two players of the same ilk - which is too bad for the Spurs. While I'm very pleased with the signing of J. White, the bottom line is that he's not yet ready to contribute this year.
Even more frustrating is that the Spurs had the chance to nab another such player during the offseason (i.e. Jumaine Jones, Matt Barnes who were both available for most of the summer) - yet they did nothing.
Having said all that, I have thought for a couple of years what a wonderful option Gerald Wallace would be for this team. Because the Bobcats owner (Bob Johnson) is such a cheapskate, it's likely Wallace will not be resigned over the summer. I believe his current salary is around 2.5 mil and he'll certainly be looking for a lot more next year. However depending upon what type of long-term salary he's looking for, perhaps the Spurs could swing a package to get him here now.
Another option is Qyntel Woods. Does anyone know if he's on anybody's roster?
Either way to make a move, the Spurs would have to get rid of either Barry or Finley. Somehow though, I just don't see the Spurs adding such a player this season.
Am I missing something? Wallace is listed as having a player option for next season at $6 million. Has he already opted out of it? If so, it might have been a bad move, considering the subpar year he's been having.
I agree it's unlikely anything happens this year, much less for a higher caliber player like Crash. I'd have to imagine the Bobcats would be happier getting better packages from other teams... but who knows.
you are right. but he might opt out, even if this season isn't looking good. he will get MLE offers at least, even if his season wasn't as good as the one last year. but some teams will blame this to the changed role of Wallace because of the Morrison aquisation.
(in fact Wallace has to play out of position a lot)
so to give up 6 million for a possible 5 years MLE contract isn't such a bad idea.
Wallace will not get back his role on the team next season, so he knows that it will be almost impossible to increase his value in the 2007/08 season.
Wallace not opting out this season makes him more attractive for the Spurs, but then, less attractive to give up for Charlotte. Maybe they think he's too expensive?
It's an intriguing situation. I wouldn't count on Bob Johnson's cheapskatery here, but that doesn't mean Wallace can't be had. He's not a franchise player, but looks to be a very good supporting one, who may not suit the Bobcats team in the future.
As for what we can give them... I can see Udrih being attractive, especially with Brevin Knight not being worth the Team Option of $4.2 next season.
Butler... Is Primoz Brezec hurt? I haven't been following, but his numbers are definitely down.
Scola. With Okafor and now Sean May coming around, what use is Scola? I'm not sure this makes sense. If anything, they'd need a starting SG they'd be losing with Gerald Wallace, which we aren't offering.
I'd be awfully nice, but we're talking ourselves into believing it could happen. More likely is somebody like Desmond Mason, in case the Hornets fall out of the playoff hunt. He's logging minutes now that Peja and West are out, but he's gone after the year.
i think we should keep scolas rights, see if his willin to accept something around orbs contract, we trade whatever we can for gerald wallace, then i think that other argentinian is of the books, we should sign him, so we got 1/4 of the argy squad on the team......
Good points. His role on that team is forever changed with the addition of Morrison. A team could counter his diminished stats. Even still, I would have to think someone would give him the MLE. After all, he only 24 and there are a lot worse players in the league earning the MLE.
Even with his diminished production I believe Wallace is worth the MLE. He's closer this year to what he did two years ago, although he's still a little slow. Last year he was dynamite (2 blocks, 2 steals/game, great rebounds), and this year I believe he'll still be very good once he gets it back together.
I'm not sure why he can't co-exist with Morrison, who is maybe getting too much playing time anyway. AMMO is a SF, no? And Crash plays as much SG as anything.
What about giving James White a shot.... I believe we signed him for a reason and from what I heard is a good defender.
He's not even bench caliber yet and is a while away. If we can get a could get a guy like Wallace, say sayonara to big concerns about White - we'd keep developing him but he'd be far less necessary.
Just for fun -- if they could be had, who would people want the most:
Josh Childress
Mickael Pietrus
Gerald Wallace
Of the three, Pietrus is the best defender, followed by Childress and then Wallace.
Of course, Larry Hughes made an all-defensive team by gambling for his own stats on every possession, so maybe I don't know all that much about basketball.
They're all known as 'defensive minded' for whatever it's worth on their teams.
If we can get him for a 2nd, then fantastic. I have no idea what Chicago would want for him. They go him for free in the Thomas-Aldridge trade and are lousy with SFs as it is. I think Scola is worth more and Chicago might think he's not worth a 2nd, but that's what I'd say a player rotting at the end of a bench is worth.
Found on a Chicago board on Khryapa:
Tribune link.
It's from last weekend.
I wonder what people would give for him. I've seen a lot of Duhon+Khryapa for Williams+Beno+Scola trades, which I don't like, not least of which because Duhon is very expensive for a back-up point guard and I believe Scola can be more valuable. I'd do a Bonner+2nd rounder, but likely Chicago thinks they can still use him.Inactive for the third straight time Friday, the third-year forward said it's too early to ask for a change of scenery. But Khryapa, who also has five "did not play-coach's decision" designations and talked to coach Scott Skiles earlier this week about his lack of a role, isn't happy.
"I'm frustrated; why not?" Khryapa said. "I'm surprised because I didn't do anything wrong. I played good in preseason. I don't understand why. Just because there are too many guys? It's ridiculous."
Khryapa started 53 games for the Trail Blazers last season. Acquired in the draft-day trade in which the rights to Tyrus Thomas and LaMarcus Aldridge were swapped, Khryapa figured he at least would crack a crowded frontcourt rotation.
"It's killing me inside," Khryapa said. "You do everything everybody else does. And then game time, everybody is playing and you're not. All the coaches and guys say to keep working. I will stay in shape and wait my chance."
are you on crack?
RC won't do anything until an hour before the trade deadline when everyone is desperate, but then there's only a 50% chance the paperwork will go through in time.
What about Linton Johnson? There was a little discussion on him and then it died down.
Johnson has been in Byron Scott's doghouse for the last month or so after starting the season as the Hornets' backup PF. Even with injuries to Bobby Jackson, David West and Peja Stojakovic he hasn't seen any increased PT. I actually went to the Cavs/Hornets game yesterday and saw him before. I asked about his PT and he seemed frustrated. Considering the amazing numbers he can put up, I don't know why he isn't playing.
Johnson is 6'8, so he can play either forward position. He is a rebounding machine, but still talented enough to score some points (especially considering hes usually the 4th or 5th option and not a defense's primary concern). He plays solid defense, but is by no means a "lockdown" defender. Hes a very scrappy, hustle type of player. He always is pouring with sweat even after the pre-game shoot-around. He also apparently keeps himself in good shape year-round as he game to training camp more than prepared this year.
The problem with Johnson would be that he makes too little money. Winging a trade that agrees with the CBA might be difficult unless a 3rd team were involved. He is on the last year of his deal, however.
Trading for a player like Gerald Wallace makes more sense in the long-run, but it requires giving up pieces that the Spurs might intend to keep. Plus, some of the scenarios opt for trading Beno with no new PG coming in. Does that mean that Barry is the backup? Vaughn? Wallace would be a long-term solution as they would likely resign him, Johnson would be short-term (expiring contract). Considering that the Spurs have a promising project in James White, does Wallace make sense?
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