Brent Barry: He couldn't be....could he?

[Solid D]

i think the FO can only pay up to $500 thousand. The remainder would be factored into his salary. In essence, you'd have to pay him more than his market value to complete the deal. From a fiscal standpoint, you would only want to bring Scola over when his buyout was $500k or less.

Yes, $500K plus a signing bonus can also be done at a rate not to exceed 20% of the contract, spread out over the guaranteed years.

The Spurs are over-the-cap-averse though.

[Mr. Body]

I don't know where to put this, but the Bulls are doing a really fascinating thing with their new contracts. They're front loading them and decreasing them as the years go on. Look at Ben Wallace's and especially Kirk Hinrich's. Kirk makes a bunch more now than he will later in the contract, giving them more room to work with each year. Pretty smart, if the players will go with it.

[Fabbs]

i think the FO can only pay up to $500 thousand. The remainder would be factored into his salary. In essence, you'd have to pay him more than his market value to complete the deal. From a fiscal standpoint, you would only want to bring Scola over when his buyout was $500k or less.

Oh i know the buyout would have to come from Scolas salary.
As for the fiscal boohoos the FO is crying, open up the books and lets see the profits for past years including Champ run. So they have to pay some lux tax, far less then Dallas. Didn't stop Cuban and look at the result.

[VaSpursFan]

I don't know where to put this, but the Bulls are doing a really fascinating thing with their new contracts. They're front loading them and decreasing them as the years go on. Look at Ben Wallace's and especially Kirk Hinrich's. Kirk makes a bunch more now than he will later in the contract, giving them more room to work with each year. Pretty smart, if the players will go with it.

that's fascinating...i didn't know that. that's a very shrewd fiscal manuever.

do you have a breakdown of the salaries by year?

[Mr. Body]

that's fascinating...i didn't know that. that's a very shrewd fiscal manuever.

do you have a breakdown of the salaries by year?

Hoopshype is the site I use...

Chicago breakdown

[Kori Ellis]

Hoopshype is the site I use...

Chicago breakdown

Interesting. I thought they weren't allowed to front load contracts like that.

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

Interesting. I thought they weren't allowed to front load contracts like that.

That's what I thought too.


If that's always been acceptable I wouldn't say the Bulls are that smart as much as other teams are stupid for not implementing similar strategies.

WTF.

[VaSpursFan]

That's what I thought too.


If that's always been acceptable I wouldn't say the Bulls are that smart as much as other teams are stupid for not implementing similar strategies.

WTF.

agreed. their FO deserves kudos for that.

[ChumpDumper]

Interesting. I thought they weren't allowed to front load contracts like that.

I seem to remember the Mavericks engineering a dip in Shawn Bradley's contract one year to accomodate a run at Tim Duncan.

[Phenomanul]

Hoopshype is the site I use...

Chicago breakdown

Hmmm... so a few big contracts are front loaded while the role player/veteran filler contracts (more numerous of course) increase slightly.

[ploto]

While an old issue, it was my understanding that the dollar figures put out in the SA media as to Scola's buy out that summer were never true and were part of the reason that the huge rift appeared between Scola's agent and the Spurs. That is- it was never $14M. That was the PR reason given to make people blame Scola.

Scola will never be a Spur- I just don't see it happening. Either the Spurs will finally trade him, he will stay in Europe for good , or he will dare to sit out an entire year so that he can then play for whomever he wants in the NBA and the Spurs will get nothing for him.

[Kori Ellis]

While an old issue, it was my understanding that the dollar figures put out in the SA media as to Scola's buy out that summer were never true and were part of the reason that the huge rift appeared between Scola's agent and the Spurs. That is- it was never $14M. That was the PR reason given to make people blame Scola.

Scola will never be a Spur- I just don't see it happening. Either the Spurs will finally trade him, he will stay in Europe for good , or he will dare to sit out an entire year so that he can then play for whomever he wants in the NBA and the Spurs will get nothing for him.

I actually got the $14.5M(?) figure from a source in Argentina that summer. *shrug* Who knows. It is just between him and his team. The Spurs have nothing to do with how much it is, so I always take whatever I read here in the papers about it with a grain of salt.

[ploto]

When the Spurs saw Oberto's progress during the summer and then they pulled in Bonner, Elson and Butler...Scola and Javtokas ended up being too pricey. Scola and Robertas were both looking to draw in the $3M per year range, I believe, and the Spurs could have spread most of the buy-out for Luis over 3 years @ $1.5M per year. It just turned into a Bang for the Buck for the "Big" issue, in my opinion.

Robertas was ready to come for less than that. Spurs basically chose Butler over him.

[ShoogarBear]

They were looking to trade him last year when he wasn't doing so hot, but his trade stock went up when he started off the season so well. Beno is in the same boat. They're pretty much damned if they do and damned if they don't. It definitely must suck to constantly hear your name on the trading block all the time.

It's called being a professional athlete.

[MannyIsGod]

It's called being a professional athlete.

It is certain types of players, though. The ones that are just good enough to get an above average contract, but never quite good enough to become a really important piece that can't be traded. They make up a good portion of the trade rumors. Players like Barry, Drew Gooden, James Posey, Magette, etc etc.

[spurschick]

It's called being a professional athlete.

I realize that... no need to get pissy.

[Streakyshooter08]

I just found this:

"Spurs Shopping Barry?
17th January, 2007 - 10:03 am
Detroit News -
According to the Detroit News, the Spurs have been actively shopping Brent Barry.

The Pistons are interested in perimeter help, but reportedly not in the form of Barry."




Looks like the Spurs are active in making a trade. This makes me believe that it is really up to the Clippers of making a Maggette trade happen...

[ploto]

Supposedly, Spurs want McDyess from Detroit.

The Spurs have been trying to move Brent Barry, but the Pistons don't appear to have much interest there -- mostly because it would cost them McDyess.

LINK

[VaSpursFan]

McDyess...intriguing. Doesn't look like the Pistons want to do this. It appears that the Spurs are looking at multiple trades this season. Maybe they finally realize that the current construct of the team will only get them to the 2nd round. Who know? It's encouraging to see steps are being taken.

[ShoogarBear]

I realize that... no need to get pissy.

I wasn't being pissy. Brent's been on what . . . 4/5 teams now? Sometimes the switch was of his own volition, sometimes it wasn't. I'm sure he's acquainted with the feelings of uncertainty by now.

[ShoogarBear]

It is certain types of players, though. The ones that are just good enough to get an above average contract, but never quite good enough to become a really important piece that can't be traded. They make up a good portion of the trade rumors. Players like Barry, Drew Gooden, James Posey, Magette, etc etc.

Eh, that's still better than the ~1/4 of NBA players like Jacque Vaughn who basically don't know from year to year whether they can stick with somebody or not.

Remember it took Bruce like what, 5 years before he signed his first multi-year contract?

[TDMVPDPOY]

apparently barry is on the block again.....

[Solid D]

Bump

Fast forward to Memphis @ Spurs, Jan. 26.
Okay, so maybe Brent ANDDDD Beno were holding back.