Brent Barry has averaged 10.04 ppg in 21.7 mpg over the first 21 games he has played for the Spurs in 2006-07. In that 21st game, Brent lit up the Clippers on 8-10 shooting, hitting 5-6 on 3-pointers and 24 total points, his high as a Spur.
Since that night (Dec. 11, 2006), Brent has dipped in his performance over his next 16 games to 5.5 ppg in 20 mpg. The new/old ball came into play on Jan. 1, well after Brent's slide had started.
What has brought on this lack of performance in roughly 20 minutes of PT per game? Are teams adjusting to where he likes to catch and shoot? Is his confidence dropping causing him to pass up open shots?
It was on Dec. 13th that the LA Times reported that Corey Maggette's agent Rob Pelinka had asked for a trade. Prior to that date, rumors had swirled regarding Maggette being considered by the Grizzlies, and then the 76ers. Only days before the 13th, Coach Mike Dunleavy had been quoted as saying the Clippers weren't interested in trading Corey.
That brings us back to Brent Barry. Are the similar dates of Brent's slide and news of Corey Maggette's public availability a matter of mere coincidence? Is Brent holding back? Have the rumors dented his at ude? He couldn't be....could he?
I think it's possible that the Spurs told Barry that they could trade him and that has effected his play. He was playing way over his head to begin the season, but for a while now he's regressed back to the Barry at the beginning of last year.
He's not aggressive anymore. He's not attacking as he once was. Is it because of ongoing trade talks or is it simply a matter of Barry come back down to earth?
Good question.
I think we are on Brent's trail. Snif* Snif*
By the way, Brent had 0 points today against the Bulls in 17:38 minutes, going 0-2 with 1 assist and 1 TO with 5 Bulls near the paint.
trade him to the Nuggets, they need another white shooter
i wouldn't blame him i would get tired of every time there is trade talk his name comes up he's like if you are going to trade me then trade me already
Almost traded Barry was rescinded when he was not traded to the Clips. It canceled out the mojo from last years near trade.
No matter how professional you are and no matter how hard you work, it has to effect you eventually. You get to a point where you say, "just trade me and get it over with so I can move on." Remember what that last season was like with Malik?
Enough already. Can we just trade this guy and move on?
It's weird. Barry's a good shooter - not aggressive enough. Finley's a streaky shooter - shoots too much.
I wish the Spurs would get the stick out of their asses and improve this team - NOW!
Im sure the Spurs are the ones holding up trades.wish the Spurs would get the stick out of their asses and improve this team - NOW!
Think please.
these ty player topics are getting stupider by the day. The only Spurs that matter are Duncan, Ginobili, and Parker. The rest of them are ty and could be waived at anytime without an effect on the win loss column.
I can't believe how ty this team has gotten in such a short period of time.
Re ulous.
Sequ, a guy does some stat research and basically graphs out Brent Barry's decline for you and it's a ****** topic?
...........and then you post topics in Spurtalk Forums en led:
"It's Official" (which was merged with some other topics and lost it's iden y)
"Tickets" ("give me some")
"Ahhhhhhh"
"I've never"
"It's going to snow *******"
"Peanut Butter" ("Jelly Peanut Butter Jelly Peanut Butter JellyPeanut Butter JellyPeanut Butter JellyPeanut Butter JellyPeanut Butter JellyPeanut Butter JellyPeanut Butter JellyPeanut Butter JellyPeanut Butter JellyPeanut Butter Jelly"
Do you have some secret information the rest of us aren't privy to?
That doesn't make sense.I think it's possible that the Spurs told Barry that they could trade him and that has effected his play. He was playing way over his head to begin the season, but for a while now he's regressed back to the Barry at the beginning of last year.
He's not aggressive anymore. He's not attacking as he once was. Is it because of ongoing trade talks or is it simply a matter of Barry come back down to earth?
Good question.
After trade rumors last year for JR Smith his play picked up. Now after trade rumors for Maggette his play has gone down.
Does he pick and choose which trades he wants to sabatoge?
Uh, he didn't "sabatoge" the JR Smith trade. The trade deadline passed and he was stuck on the Spurs for the rest of the season.
He sucks. Trade him.
[QUOTE=Solid D]Brent Barry has averaged 10.04 ppg in 21.7 mpg over the first 21 games he has played for the Spurs in 2006-07. In that 21st game, Brent lit up the Clippers on 8-10 shooting, hitting 5-6 on 3-pointers and 24 total points, his high as a Spur.
Since that night (Dec. 11, 2006), Brent has dipped in his performance over his next 16 games to 5.5 ppg in 20 mpg. The new/old ball came into play on Jan. 1, well after Brent's slide had started.
PER GAME statistics is NOT reliable, I said that many times - you would need to look per/48 min. (actual playing time) to see whether a player is effective on the floor for the actual time he played (NOT per game):
Scoring Statistics
Player Min Pts Tnd/48 TC EJ FF PF DQ STA PTS/48
barry,brent 747 299 23.39 0 0 0 47 0 0 19.21
Brent Barry's current Tendex is 23.39 which is the 4th of ALL Spurs - Timmy, Manu, and Tony are only before him. He is showing extremely positive spread of (+4.18), which shows you he is still very effective on the floor, helping the Spurs NOT only by scoring, but with all other things. Back to the period you are talking about when his "stat per game" was higher, his spread was only +0.75 above current level, meaning his actual contribution to the team for the actual time he played as a whole didn't go down much (he contributed other ways than scoring!)...he is still shooting .488 from 3-pt range and we look at 3 Point PCT (min 40 atts) here is the ranking:
kapono,jason Mia 0.557
nash,steve Pho 0.500
barry,brent San 0.488
bowen,bruce San 0.470
Barry is still 3rd in that category as he was 3rd before Dec 11th, Bruce is 4th now with .47 FG!
In FT pct (min 61 attempts) Barry is first now(!) during the period before Dec 11 he was 3rd:
barry,brent San 0.925
francis,steve NYK 0.925
korver,kyle Phi 0.921
Having said the above, Barry is still efficient for his time on the court - with regard to energy, Pop probably told him to save it for the Playoffs and to slow down a little bit now...Pop knows Barry CAN deliver...The scenario he would be traded and doesn't put 100% energy is BOGUS...They didn't tell him anything last year until the last sec when the trade with JR fell apart...WHY THEY SHOULD TELL HIM NOW??? Non-sense! You don't distract your player like that...My theory is Pop is trying to get rid of Finley via a trade, so he is giving him minutes to show something, so we can trade him, unfortunately Finley is NOT performing...(Look at the last game Barry didn't play almost in the 3rd and in the 4th, Finley took a lot of minutes and didn't deliver ANYTHING...Pure LOSER - we lost the game because of his poor shots...)
I will be deeply surprised if the Spurs trade Barry for Maggette - it will be a bad trade for the Spurs since Barry can pass the ball also, not only score and play "D"...Maggette is turning the ball over too many times...
GO SPURS!!!
I was thinking this last week....
Is Barry purposely dropping his stock so that he cannot get traded?
He's not taking the shots he was taking earlier this season. He continues to move the ball around looking for assists (although he's been commiting a few more turnovers than normal) as a way of at least gaining playing time. But he refuses to let them fly.
Hmmmmmm.... I wonder.....
I totally disagree with you. Per game stats ARE reliable. The NBA doesn't hand out accolades for scoring per 48 minutes, or rebounds per 48 minutes. Brent's point production has dropped 45% since December 11th.
The same site you referenced in your other thread http://www.dougstats.com/06-07Players.html
uses per game stats. Why use that source if it's "not reliable"?
Last edited by Solid D; 01-16-2007 at 10:52 AM.
They site provides both stat, per GAME and per 48 min., BUT as Doug says himself, per 48 min. is more reliable than per game becuase it shows you the effectivenss of a player on the court during the actual time he plays - I was thinking like you 10 years ago - you don't evaluate a player JUST BY SCORING PER GAME (EH?!!!) - this is BOGUS - the Tendex Index provides you how effective a player as a whole is during his time on the floor, playing "D", passing the ball, shooting FTs, shooting, rebounding, blocks, stls, etc. The reason why Barry's pts per game decreased is because he didn't take that many shots as he did before, so he scored less points, this doesn't mean he was playing bad (???), and Pop probably asked him to do other things (passing the ball) which show ONLY when you look at the stat per 48 min. NOT in per game - as I said above - Barry's stat per 48 just Tednex Index slightly decreased (but his spread is still very positive over +4.0), but he is still 4th overall after Timmy, Manu, and Tony - he is now No.1 shooter from the FT line in the league...and still 3rd from the 3-pt range...so, the effectiveness is still there...Tony Parker's contributions according to per minutes Tnedex Index is ONLY by scoring points, which actually hurts the Spurs in a long run since his spread is FLAT (-0.01) - meaning Tony didn't contribute mainly with other things, but JUST SCORING, he didn't play excellent defense, and didn't pass the ball enough to help his colleagues - look at Tony's stat for asts and stls and you will find he is NOT even close to Nash, Wade, Kidd, TJ Ford, Billups, etc. - this is what is hurting the Spurs - the lack of pure PG who CAN distribute the ball and get you over 10 asts/48 min....You cannot see and find those details when using stat per GAME - it just doesn't you show how effective player can be...Period!
GO SPURS!!!
I look at per-minute stats, also, as part of player analysis....but stick to the original point you made. Your point was per-game stats are not reliable. You are incorrect...and will be 10 years from now on that point.
Can we talk about the word stupider for a moment?
I'll just add here that had Hawks general manager Billy Knight not been at a funeral and unable to answer his cell phone at trade deadline, Barry would have been traded. He was told not to get on the team plane and then a few hours later told he was travelling with the team.
I like Brent and I know that Pop likes to use him when he goes small because the ball moves well when Brent is in there. Brent isn't normally hesitant to shoot, either. At least that has been the case up until recently.
How many times could you have possibly said it???
You made that comment with your 26th post, and the first 25 were to complain about how old the Spurs are!
Per 48 minute stats made Jackie Butler look like Wilt Chamberlain last year.
Even if you use "per-48-min." stats, Brent's scoring is clearly down in similar fashion to his ppg stats:
In Brent's first 21 games, Brent averaged 21.73 pp48min and shot 56.4% from the field
In Brent's last 16 games, Brent averaged 13.67 pp48min. and shot 35.4% from the field
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