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    Is it true that the Motion Picture Academy is creating a new category for performance in flopping in honor of Manu Ginobili...
    I admit manu sometimes is a good actor,by pretending being fauled and stuff.but last sunday there was NO ACTING.
    by the way he has a BLACK EYE!

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    I don't think he was saying Manu was flopping on that play...it's just tht pic seems to think the Spurs are completely devoid of players who flop and flail...it's ironic because Manu is probably the best player in the NBA at doing those things...I mean that in a complimentary way, it doesn't bother me that he does it because it's part of the game....but he does do it as much or more than any player in the league.

    And he also catches guys in the face with elbows as much as any "offensive" player in the league.

    That's why some of us are freaking out over the sudden enforcement of this rule, I just don't see how calling this is going to help the Spurs,...I see it hurting the Spurs quite a bit.

    And there is no way in this going to help Manu be more effective.

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    Surely I can't be the first to quote this...


    Bryant also lost about $162,000 in pay.

    "Am I getting anything?" Ginobili asked with a laugh. "If I could get 25 percent, I'd take it."

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    I have a new theory after watching replays. When you hold someone back, and then release, they may flail forward in a really weird way because the force in their arm is being held back then suddenly released with little to no resistance.

    Anyhow, it seems that when Manu blocked Kobe's shot the ball was still in hand. So when the ball finally came out, Kobe's arm flailed in a crazy manner and thats why it:

    1) looked fast
    2) was in a really weird angle.

    It doesn't make sense to me that his arm would move much faster after the block and if he was putting a lot of force into it his arm could fly back in a crazy angle.

    So I actually now believe he was neither trying to draw a foul nor did he do it on purpose.

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    "I don't have anything against him," Ginobili said. "I respect him a lot. I was kind of surprised (at the force of the blow) when I saw the tape
    Respect what? That Kobe can make hard shots?

    After looking at replays, Ginobili also didn't think Bryant was making a normal follow-through motion after his shot.

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    So I actually now believe he was neither trying to draw a foul nor did he do it on purpose.



    Exhibit Kobe the Klutz theory?

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    are u kidding me? look at the play clearly. It was partly Kobe trying to draw a foul and partly a violent move to say "get off me!!" he did not intend to break manu's nose but he also didn't consider the fact that Manu could get hurt by this wack.

    Suspension is being a little strict. But check again, this is Stern's NBA.

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    Is it true that the Motion Picture Academy is creating a new category for performance in flopping in honor of Manu Ginobili...

    and all that blood and black make up was false, right?

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    Honestly I don’t get it...Manu Ginobili is a huge professional athlete...He is in tremendous shape...He takes a little swipe & he drops like he took a slug from an elephant gun...

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    Honestly I don’t get it...Manu Ginobili is a huge professional athlete...He is in tremendous shape...He takes a little swipe & he drops like he took a slug from an elephant gun...
    you have reached uncharted levels of stupidity.

    Just be thankful Kobe's wack was inches away from manu's nose or ass Kobe would have been suspended for longer.

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    Actually, that was consistent with Kobe's general "trying to draw foul" motion that I have seen for years in the Pacific division and playoffs. So, perhaps, to him and Phil, it's a "natural" motion since they've become so used to it. Everyone is acting like he wouldn't be trying to draw a foul? What? That's obviously what he was doing... nothing more (malicious inent) and nothing less (standard shooting motion or trying to catch his balance). If you see, he doesn't just flail his arm, he moves his legs as well, so it has nothing to do with catching his balance.

    Higher paid people that have played and enforced the rules in basketball for many years made this decision for suspension and I support it. It covers many aspects they're trying to rid in the league: aka, star treatment, flopping, and hits above the head. I think at the least they're trying to deter other people from making wild gesticulations in the final seconds to try and draw a foul on a CLEAN block.

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    Honestly I don’t get it...Manu Ginobili is a huge professional athlete...He is in tremendous shape...He takes a little swipe & he drops like he took a slug from an elephant gun...
    Sportcamper, Manu did that all his life, he´s clever as many other players in this league and Europe. It´s about stay in the right place at the right time.
    Just watch some Euroleague games and you will see.

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    Honestly I don’t get it...Manu Ginobili is a huge professional athlete...He is in tremendous shape...He takes a little swipe & he drops like he took a slug from an elephant gun...
    Honestly, I don't get it... Kobe Bryant is a huge professional athlete... He is in tremendous shape... He has incredible balance and body control, and yet people are trying to claim "he was off-balance" because the block "affected his normal shot motion" or some other hair-brained explanation. He's at the peak of his jump, the ball is already in the air, he was not affected for the numerous seconds the ball was in the air, he made a conscious decision to throw his arm.

    I don't think he had any idea he was going to hit Manu or intended to hurt him and it probably helps his case a lot that he was apologetic. But, the fact remains that we've seen Karl Malone intentionally knock D-Rob out (and D-Rob still got called for the foul), and we all know Kobe would have had the "I just got fouled" scowl on while Manu was on the ground.

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    They don’t call it the Manu Flop for nothing...The guy is a great actor...

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    They don’t call it the Manu Flop for nothing...The guy is a great actor...
    That´s old.

    Sportcamper, Manu did that all his life, he´s clever as many other players in this league and Europe. It´s about stay in the right place at the right time... that´s not easy. Ask George Karl.

    Just be thankful Kobe's not suspended for 10 games so, get over it.

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    guess whose on the end of the line of that phone that stern calls tooo.....CIA n popabiatch come get some

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    I thought at one time that Manu would be one of the NBA’s rising stars...But like many long time NBA fans, I just can’t stand to watch him...

    Every time Manu has the ball, he drives recklessly to the basket, tucks the ball in his left hand like a football, and then when he gets close, he flails around crazily to try & get a foul call.... This seriously takes no skill what-so-ever....On defense he falls over when the ball handler drives past him without making any contact...

    Instead of penalizing true NBA Super Stars like Kobe Bryant...The NBA needs to rid themselves of the Manu Ginobili’s and implement a technical flop foul...
    Last edited by Sportcamper; 01-31-2007 at 12:04 PM.

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    They don’t call it the Manu Flop for nothing...The guy is a great actor...
    His ability to make his own nose bleed on cue is especially impressive.

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    If it merited a suspension, why wasn't he assessed a flagrant foul, too?

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    I thought at one time that Manu would be one of the NBA’s rising stars...But like many long time NBA fans, I just can’t stand to watch him...

    Every time Manu has the ball, he drives recklessly to the basket, tucks the ball in his left hand like a football, and then when he gets close, he flails around crazily to try & get a foul call.... This seriously takes no skill what-so-ever....On defense he falls over when the ball handler drives past him without making any contact...

    Instead of penalizing true NBA Super Stars like Kobe Bryant...The NBA needs to rid themselves of the Manu Ginobili’s and implement a technical flop foul...
    I thought at one time Kobe was gonna be a superstar at least equivalent to Jordan. But like many long time NBA fans, I can't stand to watch him win....

    He is a conceited, selfish, pile of of a person.

    The league will be a better league once Kobe's selfish ass is gone.

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    His ability to make his own nose bleed on cue is especially impressive.
    And giving himself that black eye just shows his commitment to his art.

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    Kobe just keeps confirming what a bas he is.


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    I thought at one time that Manu would be one of the NBA’s rising stars...But like many long time NBA fans, I just can’t stand to watch him...
    Just because he can take over a game from nowere? I wonder how many coaches want a player like him.

    Every time Manu has the ball, he drives recklessly to the basket, tucks the ball in his left hand like a football, and then when he gets close, he flails around crazily to try & get a foul call.... This seriously takes no skill what-so-ever....On defense he falls over when the ball handler drives past him without making any contact...
    Please stop crying

    Instead of penalizing true NBA Super Stars like Kobe Bryant...The NBA needs to rid themselves of the Manu Ginobili’s and implement a technical flop foul...
    Don't blame Manu for draw fouls. Players are taught to do it. Get over it.

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    It's hard to beleive it but these Laker fans are more y than Mav fans.

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    Instead of penalizing true NBA Super Stars like Kobe Bryant...The NBA needs to rid themselves of the Manu Ginobili’s and implement a technical flop foul...
    So let me get this straight -- a guy who flails his arms around in an effort to fool officials into calling a foul that never occurred should be respected for having done so, but a guy who embellishes the contact that he actually takes is somehow a blight on the league?

    Gotcha.

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