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NIce article...i hope this is the only and last fight between manu and kobe
http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/b...t.1d87fd4.html
Bryant hit by NBA for swipe
Web Posted: 01/30/2007 11:35 PM CST
Johnny Ludden
Express-News
SALT LAKE CITY — Of the countless bruises, cuts, bumps, sprains and strains Manu Ginobili has sustained throughout his career, he doesn't ever recall having a black eye.
El Contusión found the latest addition to his collection to be rather painful. It also proved to be quite expensive for the person who produced it.
The NBA suspended Los Angeles Lakers guard Kobe Bryant on Monday for one game for "striking" Ginobili at the end of the fourth quarter of the Spurs' victory on Sunday. Without Bryant, the Lakers lost 99-94 in New York on Monday night.
Bryant also lost about $162,000 in pay.
"Am I getting anything?" Ginobili asked with a laugh. "If I could get 25 percent, I'd take it."
Ginobili won't get a cut of Bryant's lost wages. Nor did he take comfort in learning Bryant had been suspended.
"I don't have anything against him," Ginobili said. "I respect him a lot. I was kind of surprised (at the force of the blow) when I saw the tape.
"I blocked the shot, and all I felt was 'boom.' I didn't really know what was happening."
The incident occurred on the final play of regulation. After Ginobili blocked Bryant's shot from behind, Bryant flailed his right arm back, hitting the Spurs guard flush in the face.
Ginobili dropped to the court and remained there for a few minutes while the Spurs' training staff attended to him. The Spurs initially thought he might have broken his nose, but the Lakers' doctor cleared him to return midway through the overtime period.
X-rays taken after the game were negative. Ginobili said his face is still sore when touched, but he'll play tonight against Utah.
"He took a of a whack," Spurs coach Gregg Popovich said. "Besides that hit, his neck really snapped. I thought he was really hurt."
Stu Jackson, the NBA's executive vice president of basketball operations, said Bryant was suspended because of the location of the contact. He also said the reaction by Bryant to swing his right arm backward was an "unnatural act."
"This is all about the safety of our players in the workplace," Jackson said. "When we get contact above the shoulders, it becomes a player safety issue, and it's treated accordingly."
After looking at replays, Ginobili also didn't think Bryant was making a normal follow-through motion after his shot. But he said Bryant apologized to him immediately after the incident and again after he returned in overtime.
"I don't know if he did it on purpose or not," Ginobili said. "What I can tell about the story is, first, I didn't have an argument (with Bryant). There was no threats, no elbows, nothing. He apologized. Those are the three things that involved me."
Bryant, who won't face the Spurs again this season unless the teams meet in the playoffs, told reporters in New York that he didn't mean to hit Ginobili and was "blown away" when told he was being suspended.
"It's just unintentional," Bryant said. "I felt horrible about it. It's just basketball, it happens."
Bryant tried to schedule a meeting with NBA officials Monday afternoon to appeal the suspension but was denied. League policy in such cases allows players an opportunity to appeal only for their lost wages.
"There's a shot, it's a block, there's two guys on him, he's trying to draw contact so that he gets to the foul line hopefully at the end of the game if he can't get the shot off," Lakers coach Phil Jackson said before Monday night's game. "There's so many things going into it that to draw a conclusion like that leads me to think that a non-basketball player probably made the decision on this particular act."
Popovich initially said after Sunday's game he thought Bryant's action was a "natural movement for a shooter coming down." But that was before he saw a replay of the incident.
Asked whether he complained to league officials that Bryant should be suspended, Popovich said, "I'll just keep my thoughts to myself."
"I just leave those things to the league to decide," Popovich said. "The league is very consistent at trying to take away physical plays that are over the line. They're not going to let anything get by them.
"They're going to decide whether it was flagrant or not. They're not going to call me and ask what I think."
A foul wasn't called on the play. Nor did the league assess Bryant a flagrant penalty when suspending him.
Had the referees determined Bryant had already released the shot before hitting Ginobili and called a loose-ball foul, Ginobili would have been given two free throws and a chance to win the game before it went into overtime. Popovich said he understood why the referees didn't make the call.
"It really happened quick," he said. "Even in the replay, you had to replay it a couple of times."
This is the second time a player has been suspended for hitting Ginobili in the face. Sacramento guard Ron Artest received a one-game suspension when he caught Ginobili in the head with a forearm in the teams' playoff opener last season.
"Ron didn't apologize," Ginobili said, "but this one hurt more."
NIce article...i hope this is the only and last fight between manu and kobe
Lol @ 'Ron didn't apologize'.
I thought Ron loves Manu's game as well!
That's because he's about being real...Lol @ 'Ron didn't apologize'.
Kobe's a fraud.
I want to know what about Raja Bell think this time?
i'll tell you what raja bell thinks right now: "beat the spurs tomorrow"I want to know what about Raja Bell think this time?
i appreciate Kobe's attempt to apologize to Manu TWICE after that incident, intentional or not. I don't understand why other people think otherwise.
Artest is thug.
Apparently he also called him Monday morning as well, but whatever, idiots feel better if they can call Kobe a "thug," whatever that means.
No one called Kobe a thug. I called him a fraud.
and it was more or less tongue-in-cheek about Ron Artest not apologizing.
There wasn't any weight in that comment above.
Honestly, I think Kobe respects Manu on the court. He even mentioned that on the video response, that he wouldn't ever hurt him. He does throw cheap shots at other players. Does that make him a thug? Nope. He's just a flailing . He's done that shooting arm move a couple other times in the past season and last season. The league wised up and took the opportunity to send him that message.
That said, screw Kobe and his apologies. I'm more or less indifferent to the rapist's behavior.
I didn't know that and even didn't see that on tv; that changes my perception of Kobe, I think did a hard foul on someone in that game and he offered his apologize and helped him.
Besides this incidend (Kobe involved) it'll be good for the league keep coherent with those stuff I saw a game where a guy from Miami almost cut the head of Loul Deng and nothing happened
Way to take the easy way out and just call him a rapist, which BTW, he isn't. It's amazing how dumb people are becoming these days. Anyway, so are you saying Manu doesn't flop to get calls?
I think it's funny, all these softies going on and on about Kobe hurting Manu intentionally. You wanna see someone doing something intentional and not giving a about that person, no apologies, no calls, nothing? Let's talk about Malone dropping David Robinson cold back in the late 90s....Robinson went unconscious for two minutes and even though Malone received a suspension, Robinson actually received a foul for that play. Malone has put ridiculous hurt on many guys' faces, much worse than what happened to Manu (remember Isaiah?) and he didn't even get a slap on the wrist. I remember reading about how he ended some guy's career back in college and walked off the court like he could care less about what had just happened. He never gave a for any of his opponents and refused to apologize for anything to do so there's a comparison for all these people calling Kobe whatever they get off on calling him and acting like this is the biggest news of the day.I didn't know that and even didn't see that on tv; that changes my perception of Kobe
Besides this incidend (Kobe involved) it'll be good for the league keep coherent with those stuff I saw a game where a guy from Miami almost cut the head of Loul Deng and nothing happened
No, what I'm saying is his forearm was a reckless move.
And I'm not looking to argue his rape case on here. Besides were you there on the night in question? You can infer from cir stantial evidence and all that but you can't claim that as a fact. Even if evidence points to he didn't do it and all that. Rape or not. Adultery. I don't really care.
Don't pick apart my petty off-the-cuff remarks, PONKY... even if I don't give much weight since it's just smack talk against a player I don't really respect.
The league was different ten, fifteen years ago. It's "Pussy" league rules now, post 2004.
And the one's who aren't protesting the league's decision for Kobe's suspension are just going off of whatever warrants a suspension according to the league's rule and judgement now. All that stuff about what Malone did is irrelevant, because they're not measuring by precedents they're going off of conduct POST-BRAWL days.
this is enough reason for me say what kind of person Kobe is. He is apologetic, and if he realized he did wrong he apologized again to Manu which means he is doesn't really want to harm him in the first place but maybe just to draw a foul.But he said Bryant apologized to him immediately after the incident and again after he returned in overtime.
when you hurt somebody you say sorry, and that is one way of showing respect.
Artest not apologizing might mean he's thinking Manu deserves it, or he simply doesn't care if something he did had hurt someone and might cause him missing a game.
No, I was not there that night, which is why I am not calling him a rapist, you are. You know, there's a reason that the prosecution got ed over for withholding exculpatory evidence, maybe you should go find out what exactly it was they were witholding and why the *victim* wanted to drop the criminal suit. Calling someone a rapist is weak when the victim herself dropped the suit and went after a more *rewarding* civil suit that didn't punish the accused in any significant way.
I agree that his forearm was reckless, but it doesn't make him a fraud, it makes him one of dozens of ballers looking for a foul call. You haven't answered my question about Manu.
i'm not an automaton, content to happily watch the nba go through all its transformations...i want stu and stern out, they've ruined the league and babysit the players, all of them. i certainly am measuring the league today from the league when i was a kid, it was much more exciting back then and i'd like to see it return to those days. anyway, the reason i posted the stuff about karl was to show that at least kobe showed concerned and contacted manu three times after the incident, which to me, is not the sign of a guy who would do something like that intentionally....it wasn't to compare the current state of suspensions although, if you wanna do that, I can play that game too.
So basically your point is moot. We both can't call him a rapist and non-rapist.
I'm aware of this. I 've read and heard of this with my Laker fan roommates WAYYYY back when. I was taking a petty slight at the baggage Kobe did himself over by getting tangled in the first place. I even admitted evidence points towards him NOT being guilty.You know, there's a reason that the prosecution got ed over for withholding exculpatory evidence, maybe you should go find out what exactly it was they were witholding and why the *victim* wanted to drop the criminal suit. Calling someone a rapist is weak when the victim herself dropped the suit and went after a more *rewarding* civil suit that didn't punish the accused in any significant way.
You want me to take back my rapist remark and say I didn't mean it ?then FINE!
ACk, what are you doing to me Ponky!I agree that his forearm was reckless, but it doesn't make him a fraud, it makes him one of dozens of ballers looking for a foul call.
I can't help it if my fraud statements apply to empirical perceptions, of him in the past.
I was just insinuating Kobe's good deeds don't hold weight. I don't really mean it. I don't like Kobe. I respect his game. But most of the time, It'll be a cold day in before I defend the dude. Even if I personally don't believe in this case Kobe wanted to hurt Manu. I'm just joking that he's lying about it.
Next time Manu clocks someone in the head with equal severity and potentially dangerous damage with his flopping reckless styl, then I can't say I'd protest if they suspend him for it.You haven't answered my question about Manu.
Anyway, this season Manu has toned down a lot of his flopping, wouldn't you say?
Oh yeah, I forget, guys think this kind of is funny when used as an insult, my bad. See, I have these season tix next to two hicks that like to chant like "rapist" and "now you know what it feels like to get raped" at the lakers games. It's disgusting and I'm pretty thick-skinned but not when it comes to wasting money sitting next to idiots.
I will admit that Manu has toned it down quite a bit but he's still a *fraud* to use your term when it comes to trying to sell the call...all ballers learn how to do it because it is rewarded. It is good that it seems like the NBA has toned it down a bit with rewarding the flopping so much, although there is still quite a bit of inconsistency.
oh, and i'm bored, it's early in the morning, and i'm procrastinating...otherwise i could care less as long as the games on tonight are good!
Well, I'll think twice next time I wanna holler it at Kobe if I get tix to go to the Staples Center.
I'm not crying that Kobe got caught and mixed up in that mess. He has to prepare for the idiots' remarks like that. They'll lap it up at the opportunity.
That said, in all seriousness, yeah you're probably right. It's insensitive to women.
Well, I was more focused on Kobe's forearm antics. He popped Dirk if you don't remember with his "unnatura"l forearm motions. I guess it just varies on how you sell the call. Manu's flopping was usually just annoying (if you're the opposing team). Obviously Kobe's "fraudalent" antics weren't anything special, he's one of dozens of players who wise up on how to sell a foul. He just happened to have Manu's head at the wrong place at the wrong time. Sucks for him. And the Lakers. But the players will adjust. Manu did. Mostly because of the equal chances of causing injury to himself.I will admit that Manu has toned it down quite a bit but he's still a *fraud* to use your term when it comes to trying to sell the call...all ballers learn how to do it because it is rewarded. It is good that it seems like the NBA has toned it down a bit with rewarding the flopping so much, although there is still quite a bit of inconsistency.
Asked whether he complained to league officials that Bryant should be suspended, Popovich said, "I'll just keep my thoughts to myself."
Bwah hah hah. That's so hilarious. I wonder what Pop's really thinking.
What's the over/under for Kobe's point total against the Celtics? I feel sorry for them.
To me, the biggest a-hole in the entire situation is Phil. I cannot believe he actually stated that Kobe should get "star treatment". That is the kind of thing that really makes me lose respect for someone, even more than a wreckless elbow thrown that connects with force.
The last thing we need is coaches openly lobbying for one player to get preferential calls over another. That's the wrong message for the league to be displaying (even though it's obvious that some players get the calls) and it something that NO ONE should mention in a manipulative way as Jackson has here. It's entirely the wrong message to send to young players of the sport as well. Just all around stupid, but then again I guess Phil cares more about winning than the league as a whole or the image he's broadcasting.
I' was wondering. WTF do you care what I say? I don't need this.oh, and i'm bored, it's early in the morning, and i'm procrastinating...otherwise i could care less as long as the games on tonight are good!
I'm glad the Spurs got some good national airplay this month. with good teams nonetheless...I wasn't aware of the schedule. I was surprised and stoked.
Yet they were mostly losses!
When I read that
I thought, Pop's a fraud too!
Yeah, Phil's such an ass. What's wrong with him? I never really get why he comes off so badly in his comments. It's like he's blind to his own statements.To me, the biggest a-hole in the entire situation is Phil. I cannot believe he actually stated that Kobe should get "star treatment". That is the kind of thing that really makes me lose respect for someone, even more than a wreckless elbow thrown that connects with force. I think it's about time for him to retire, because his act is getting really old.
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