BENO NEXT?? What trade works

[mountainballer]

The other thing is that even if the Spurs go with a guy like Singleton, Barnes, Outlaw, or one of these other long 3/small ball 4 types, how much time do you expect Pop to give them over a veteran like Finley? Outside of Maggette, Posey, or Mo Pete, I really don't see that athletic wing the Spurs are looking for to contribute immediately even if they get him.

I'm just trying to be realistic. Pop likes veterans and none of the SF/PF types (outside of Maggette) that the Spurs could get would be veterans...

The PG they could get, however...

I'm not sold on the verteran argument. yes, it's right that Pop prefers veterans, but does this really exclude any "non-veteran" option? last year they almost traded Barry for sop re Smith. I don't think that they would have made this move thinking that Smith wouldn't get Barry's minutes (15+). Spurs are a contender and can't act like a rebuilding team, that makes deadline trades for a potential improvement next season.
so, if they didn't try to trade a veteran like Barry for another veteran (or at least a player with some seasons under his belt), why shouldn't they try again this year?
I agree, that new players, who are average talents, but above average athletes, will have it hard to find time on a veteran (and disciplined system playing) team like the Spurs immediatly.
the major factor will be this: a player like for example Barnes wouldn't be aquired to upgrade the overall talent, he would be aquired to fill a hole in the rebounding and athletics department. so he would get time, when the matchup turns to much the Spurs disadvantage. so I could see this player get 25 minutes in a game and just 5 the other day.

and even if it is for sure more problematic for a new player, to get into the Spurs system than into any team's system, it is not impossible, if a certain role is just sought. see Nazr. he is for sure not the smartest player in the league, but he got 20 minutes immediatly and almost 25 in the PO.

for a new PG, I agree that it would be the most difficult part.
I guess this will be a lot about the whole scenario. Spurs have some flexibility about this, because either Barry or Manu could help a bit at PG. so it would be more logical, to look for a combo guard, than for the typical floor general. but you never know.
look at Steve Blake. (btw. I had him on my list for breakout player 2007, when he went to the Bucks. thought he would fit great there, but was wrong.) he contributed immediatly with the better team than his old one, and after one month he is delivering 10+ APG and 10+ PPG.
(I remember, that during the summer I mentioned Blake as a possible trade for Beno and I got laughed at.)

back to the combo guard. what would you guys think of a swap Beno for Charlie Bell, if Buck would agree on this? (maybe Spurs add a 2nd rounder)
Bucks aren't going anywhere and they have holes in the playmaking department.
Bell is far from a playmaker, but with his athletic abilities and good defense, he could be very usefull against those teams with big guards.
I guess if he was aquired, Barry could take the back-up PG role and Bell more of a back-up SG part.
just a thought. good? bad? unrealistic?

[AFBlue]

I'm not sold on the verteran argument. yes, it's right that Pop prefers veterans, but does this really exclude any "non-veteran" option? last year they almost traded Barry for sop re Smith. I don't think that they would have made this move thinking that Smith wouldn't get Barry's minutes (15+)

I disagree that Smith would've taken Barry's minutes. Remember Barry was in the doghouse as well and had been taken out of the rotation largely all-together, so Smith wouldn't have had that many minutes to pick up anyways. That, and I think Pop would've made a comment similar to the one he made with Ely (big wow, one IR guy for another). I CLEARLY think JR Smith was a play for the future w/o sacraficing any current production. I assume Finley would've gotten more of the minutes.

and even if it is for sure more problematic for a new player, to get into the Spurs system than into any team's system, it is not impossible, if a certain role is just sought. see Nazr. he is for sure not the smartest player in the league, but he got 20 minutes immediatly and almost 25 in the PO.

Nazr was a veteran and the Spurs' only other option was Rasho. None of the SF discussed are veterans. The only one considered to be close to that would be Barnes, and I agree with your earlier statements that he MIGHT see 20 minutes in one game if the matchup presents itself, during the regular season. I can't see Pop going to this unproven kid in crunch time.

back to the combo guard. what would you guys think of a swap Beno for Charlie Bell, if Buck would agree on this? (maybe Spurs add a 2nd rounder)
Bucks aren't going anywhere and they have holes in the playmaking department.

I like the idea of Charlie Bell and Keyon Dooling. Both are scrappy combo guards with a knack for scoring and decent defense.

Bell for Beno works, but the Bucks might want a pick as well...

Dooling for Ely works, but they also might want a pick...

[mountainballer]

I like the idea of Charlie Bell and Keyon Dooling. Both are scrappy combo guards with a knack for scoring and decent defense.

Bell for Beno works, but the Bucks might want a pick as well...

Dooling for Ely works, but they also might want a pick...

uff...finally we can agree on something

I guess the Spurs would like the Bell scenario more. he is much cheaper (744K expiring, Dooling 3.3 M + another season) and overall the player, who might make more of an impact right now.
Bucks will ask for more than just Beno. maybe they want their pick back, since it will be better than they would ever have thought. (would you give it back if it get's us Bell?)