Reply With Quote
tp was not happy but kidd came to sa and duncan went to see kidd
I do not think spurs passed on kidd
kidd said the spurs
just maybe denver would have made a formal offer and manu would not have been matched
manu>sj
tp was not happy but kidd came to sa and duncan went to see kidd
I do not think spurs passed on kidd
kidd said the spurs
if he did not turn the ball over
I know it was Jason's decision - hence the quotes in my post. But I was refering to the ridiculous spin in the post below.
oh my bad did not read that
tired
Id take him quick!! People always put him down for the thuggishness he brings. But truth is...at times the Spurs could use that. Him and Malik are the only Spurs in recent memory I know that could throw their weight around like that. And the offense we run is alot better for him than the gs offense. If we had him this year I would do the same thing we did in 03. Start him with manu cominig off the bench. That formula was pretty effective in 03.
If SJax had stayed around, he and Manu would have competed for the starting job. Manu starting helped his development, though with his talent, he might have come along fine on the bench until he beat SJax out fair and square. If SJax were more of a team player, that wouldn't be a problem. If he could simply come out from the bench for high minutes (sort of as Manu does now) and score, then that would have been great.
But that was not and is not SJax. I watched him throw hissyfits and temper tantrums when he got yanked in games that he was shooting cold in favor of Manu. I watched him act sullenly. Manu wins that starting job and SJax becomes a bench cancer, and possibly doesn't score well at all, making it worse. And as for Manu - either he doesn't gain the maturity and experience to have done his thing in 2005 (so he is resigned for less) or he goes to another team. I just can't see his development happening in a similar way if SJax stays.
Beyond that, I thought his offer was a pretty good one, all things considered. He was a decent player, but a streaky shooter who pouted. $10 million/3 years sounded just about perfect to me. He felt otherwise. He tested other waters, and eventually found a place willing to pay more.
All things considered, no I don't think I would want him to have stayed. Having him again might be a different issue, but likely not.
Jack was never a cancer here, nor did he throw temper tantrums about Manu getting more time than him. He enjoyed the disciplined environment and repeatedly has said he needs it. He was a good guy in the locker room and good friends with Tim, Malik, etc.
There's 96 minutes available each game at the swingspots - there was plenty of playing time to be split between Manu, Bowen and Jack in a three swingman rotation. There would have been no issue about not enough playing time. 33/33/30 or however you want to split it up - Manu only plays 27 mpg anyway.
I'm not even sure the Spurs ever made a real offer to him that summer, but I do know that his agent chose not to return the Spurs phone calls and take him elsewhere. His agent is one of the worst to deal with in the league, and everyone knows that. In the end, it worked out for Jack financially, but if he would have busted in Atlanta that year, he could have ended up with not very much.
Didn't we bring Barry in AFTER we had signed Manu?
That's my remembrance. It was after Jax decided to spurn the Spurs offer and go for bigger money through FA. It's rewriting history to say, well, he would just be getting the money of some player who was signed after he left.
KIDD wasn't looking for any unnecessary headaches. Bold out in the post where it said that we ever passed on Kidd for me.
I guess if you had bothered to actually finish reading the post first you would have understood I guess... The Post didn't say that WE PASSED on Kidd. The post was saying that one of the reasons that Kidd did shun us was due to the fact that TP was already addressing Pop on PT issues and Kidd didn't want to be any part of any controversy by him already not having it too bad in Jersey already. Note they had just been to the Finals FOR THE 2ND TIME.
Last edited by florige; 05-05-2007 at 01:05 PM.
Jack may be available after his stint at Jackson MI prison for violating his parole.
I think he'll probably get the rich athelete or celebrity treatment and not serve any time--unlike the regular schmo who doesn't have the money for a good lawyer and star status.
jack is the one that wanted the guarantee starting postion in his contract (which spurs said No to)
spurs offered him good money and he said no
no one offered more
So Kidd refused the Spurs offer because he was worried about poor little Tony's feeling. Kidd (then concidered as the best PG in the league) taking away playing time from a second year player would have been such a huge controversy the NBA would have been changed forever.
Yes, Jason Kidd always striked me as a sensitive soul.
Of course I want him back. That 2003 team was a monster at closing out games with Parker, Manu, Jack at the swing positions.
Would the Spurs have been able to sign Horry as well as keep SJax?
Offer me the '03 Jackson, I'd sell newspapers on the streetcorner to help pay for that SJax version.
Reality, times and events have steered his life towards other paths and now he feels somewhat in control of his life. I imagine that feels gratifying to him. What GSW did was larger than life and SJax loves stepping onto a big stage like that after '03 season with Spurs.
10 million was not enough?
god damn people learn how to move on with ur lives...jackson is gone and he will never be back...we need to talk about bringing back devin brown not jackson who will be in prison before he ever wins another ring...get a grip
We shouldn't be pining for Jack but we should be pining for Devin.
And Malik.
And Rasho.
It's like there are only five players in the potential Spurs' player pool, and they've all already been Spurs.
bring me the iceman
QFT
And Malik.
And Rasho.
It's like there are only five players in the potential Spurs' player pool, and they've all already been Spurs.
There is no doubt that Jack can help Spurs more than Barry but he isn't the only player in that case.
Given all his off court troubles and the fact that he has struggled with Pacers (let me remind people that Spurs system isn't run&gun like Warriors), there are a lot of nba players I take over Jackson.
Agree, what was going through his mind.
I've made some career decisions through the years, and a couple of them I wish I could of changed.
SJax parting with 10 million, just how seductive was that whispering in his ear.
His head was in the clouds, ring on his finger, and brain switch was turned off.
But I'd want him back, the part of me that goes through our scoring droughts.
So Kidd refused the Spurs offer because he was worried about poor little Tony's feeling. Kidd (then concidered as the best PG in the league) taking away playing time from a second year player would have been such a huge controversy the NBA would have been changed forever.
Yes, Jason Kidd always striked me as a sensitive soul.
I don't know, since you seem to know the guy so well I guess you would know the REAL reason why he didn't come to being as though we had plenty of cap space at the time and money shouldn't had been an issue. And again as I said in my post ONE of the reasons. I only go by what I read and for real it doesn't even matter anymore.
Last edited by florige; 05-05-2007 at 11:10 PM.
There are currently 1 users browsing this thread. (0 members and 1 guests)
Posting Permissions