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  1. #51
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    When a team is hitting prayer shots like the Warriors were, your not going to be beat them. Its just that simple.
    Deron Williams and the Utah Jazz would like a word with you about that.

    Besides, it wasn't so much that they were just hitting shots. The Mavs were sagging on defense and leaving them wide open all day long.

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    Deron Williams and the Utah Jazz would like a word with you about that.

    Besides, it wasn't so much that they were just hitting shots. The Mavs were sagging on defense and leaving them wide open all day long.

    correct, we had huge defensive breakdowns. as for the jazz/warriors, i still say jazz in six but part of me wonders how well davis and barnes are holding up in terms of health. jazz played very well and their defense is obviously a lot better than dallas' d, or lack of, but i still think davis and barnes are also banged up a bit. okur and harpring are going to have to continue putting up the numbers they had and boozer could use some help on the boards because i don't know if he'll bring down twenty in the next game.

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    I don't really care what they do as long as they keep Dirk, Harris, Howard, Stackhouse and Diop. And I suggest hanging on to Ager for a while. If they make a big trade I would guess it would be Terry. Throw Croshere to the wolves. Sorry Austin....

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    There is no one in that lineup that can take it to the rim. Somebody has to play in the low post.

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    If they don't trade Dirk for KG (which I doubt they will)... then we need to find another true superstar that is hungry to win, which leads me to T-Mac.

    Keep Stack, Diop, and George.

    Trade Howard, Terry, Mbenga, and draft picks for T-Mac and John Lucas.

    Sign Luke Walton, Desmon Mason, or Eddie Jones. Sign Jamaal Magliore. If possible, try to get Mike Bibby as well.

    PG - Bibby (maybe, but doubtful), Harris, Lucas
    SG - McGrady, Stackhouse, Ager
    SF - Walton/Mason/Jones, George
    PF - Nowitzki, Magliore
    C - Diop, Dampier

    there is no way that would happen.

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    There is no one in that lineup that can take it to the rim. Somebody has to play in the low post.
    If this is in response to my comment?.. There are 8 other spots on the team.

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    How do we get that player without losing some of your lineup? Harris is the only one that drives through the lane, but doesn't finish with consistency. We die by the jumper. Dirk will not be effective without a horse down low.

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    correct, we had huge defensive breakdowns. as for the jazz/warriors, i still say jazz in six but part of me wonders how well davis and barnes are holding up in terms of health. jazz played very well and their defense is obviously a lot better than dallas' d, or lack of, but i still think davis and barnes are also banged up a bit. okur and harpring are going to have to continue putting up the numbers they had and boozer could use some help on the boards because i don't know if he'll bring down twenty in the next game.
    The Warriors played out of their minds the entire Dallas series. The Mavs needed to do something to shut down or cut off their momentum, something emphatic. They never did, and the Warriors just rocked the house with momentum.

    I think that probably exhausted them a bit. They used so much of their bodies to take down Dallas that they don't have a huge amount left in the tank. I think if Utah plays solid in Game 2 and doesn't give them a lot of plays to build confidence on, they could even end the series in 5.

    I see Boozer averaging 16+ rebounds a game this series. With the Warriors offensive mindset, he could even get 25. I mean, who's going to get over him? Bierdins?

    The Warriors should seriously assign someone on offensive (Bierdins) to do nothing except box out Boozer. That's his one role. That might give them a chance for some offensive rebounds.

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    How do we get that player without losing some of your lineup? Harris is the only one that drives through the lane, but doesn't finish with consistency. We die by the jumper. Dirk will not be effective without a horse down low.
    I'm not trying to argue or agree with you. So who exactly to think we should trade? I'm not going to support the idea going around that totally dismantling the team that has taken years to build is the answer to a championship just because of a bad series in the playoffs. I just think it needs be tweaked a little. Above all else, Dirk stays in Dallas until we retire his jersey.What happens if we totally change our lineup to beat teams like Golden State and we end up not even playing them in the playoffs next year? Then we could turn around and get owned by San Antonio or Pheonix, who we now have a good chance of beating with our current lineup.

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    I know what your saying. But our problems are huge. Everytime the other team spreads the floor they can fly right by. We need that strong low post player on both ends. We don't have speed to stay with the highflying teams. We are clumsy at D and I don't think any adjustments will change that. We need that one fearless guy. Who that is, or who we can get is the problem. I'm afraid that Dirk has been exposed for good.

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    Dirk is not going to get faster or more coordinated, and as much as I hate to say it, he proved to be mentally weak. He let them put their boot on his throat without fighting back. He may never be more than a shrinking violet after that. So now what? Do we sit back and hope for the best?

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    Maybe all of the media bashing on Dirk will be just the fire he needs to get him really pissed off and go ape next year. I want pissed off Dirk. He's definitely going to have some personality changes in the offseason. Let's hope they are for the better.

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    If they don't trade Dirk for KG (which I doubt they will)... then we need to find another true superstar that is hungry to win, which leads me to T-Mac.

    Keep Stack, Diop, and George.

    Trade Howard, Terry, Mbenga, and draft picks for T-Mac and John Lucas.

    Sign Luke Walton, Desmon Mason, or Eddie Jones. Sign Jamaal Magliore. If possible, try to get Mike Bibby as well.

    PG - Bibby (maybe, but doubtful), Harris, Lucas
    SG - McGrady, Stackhouse, Ager
    SF - Walton/Mason/Jones, George
    PF - Nowitzki, Magliore
    C - Diop, Dampier
    How do we know if KG is a playoff choker or not? He never gets his team to the playoffs?

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    How do we know if KG is a playoff choker or not? He never gets his team to the playoffs?

    Well he was a MVP a few years ago and kind of fell off. Minesota had 1 GOOD year and other than that, its hard to say.

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    I just don't know how going ape is going to improve his low post. He takes that one move (that everybody expects) and when he can't get around he quickly kicks it out or takes that fall-away jumper that only hits when it doesn't matter. His head got in the game, and he got too nervous, and those jumpers wouldn't fall. If he had someone that could even slightly draw attention away, he might be alright. He will not be the mavs inside presence without some muscle to help.

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    Maybe all of the media bashing on Dirk will be just the fire he needs to get him really pissed off and go ape next year. I want pissed off Dirk. He's definitely going to have some personality changes in the offseason. Let's hope they are for the better.

    I dont even blame Dirk for the loss, I think he was just a victim to Nelly knowing him sooo well. Trading him isnt the answer.

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    or maybe as my brother suggests...

    trade Terry/Diop for Jermaine O'Neal.

    sign Bonzi Wells, Steve Blake, and Stackhouse.

    PG - Harris, Blake, Barea
    SG - Wells, Stackhouse, Ager
    SF - Howard, Buckner
    PF - Nowtizki, Mensa-Bonsu
    C - O'Neal, Damp, Mbenga
    I must say, getting Mason and Maggette is actually very intriguing. As long as they stay healthy. If we could get those two, then it would really give us more money/trade bait to get someone like Mike Bibby, whom I think would fit in VERY well with our system. Plus I think we should sign Magliore as a backup PF/C. A lineup of...

    PG - Bibby, Harris
    SG - Maggette, Stack, Ager
    SF - Howard, Mason
    PF - Nowtizki, Magliore
    C - Diop, Damp
    Well, I think I've got the award for 'most delusional Mavs fan on Spurstalk' figured out.

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    Well, I think I've got the award for 'most delusional Mavs fan on Spurstalk' figured out.

    hahah yeah thats a little bit of wishful thinking. But hey who doesnt play scenarios like this in our head come off season.

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    Which Bonzi? The Bonzi we saw in the playoffs in 2005 or the one we saw this past season? If it's the one after contract, then I'll pass.

    Oh and mardigan. I take it you don't like Harris?
    Nothing against the Mavs, but I just think Harris is one of the worst point guards I have ever seen play, and I blame him directly for the Mavs 1st round departure. If the Mavs had a real point, they would be unstoppable

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    Nothing against the Mavs, but I just think Harris is one of the worst point guards I have ever seen play, and I blame him directly for the Mavs 1st round departure. If the Mavs had a real point, they would be unstoppable

    I am not a Harris fan but I think he is better than Jason Lazy Eyes Terry. Harris is also younger, quicker, and more athletic. He has promise.

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    I am not a Harris fan but I think he is better than Jason Lazy Eyes Terry. Harris is also younger, quicker, and more athletic. He has promise.
    Thats why I said a real point. Terry aint a point either, sg trapped in a points body. Duncan has 2 less assists in the same number of games played as Harris. Harris cant shoot, isnt a very good passer in the lane, isnt very good at getting his teamates the shots they like, and takes way to many charges that dont get called in his favor which either a)gets him in foul trouble or b)puts his teamates in a bad place defensively. Guy had a 2 to 1 assist to turnover ratio in his 3rd year this year, so his improvement has been very slow. Thye either need to make him the number 1 point and give him the keys, or get rid of him and Terry for a real point guard

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    How do we know if KG is a playoff choker or not? He never gets his team to the playoffs?
    He's never had players the caliber of Jason Terry, Devin Harris, and Josh Howard either, has he? The closest he had was Sam Cassell, Troy Hudson, and Latrell Spreewell, but I'd still take Terry, Harris, and Howard over those three.

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    You know, Dirk came up woefully short against Golden State and he deserves criticism for that, but why is he getting more than Zach Randolph or Stephon Marbury? He's humble and hardworking, and nobody is taking this worse than him.

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    I think comparing him to Zach Randolph and Stephon Marbury is the worst criticism yet.

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