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    Prove to me there are more terrorists now...

    I can certainly prove there are more dead ones...
    Read the declassified portions of the recent National Intelligence Estimates prepared for the President.

    The phrase they used was "cause celebre".

    Their conclusions are that the groups are becoming more diffuse, and more widespread.

    Iraq has completely failed in its stated goal of "fighting terrorism".

    Didn't find WMDs
    Didn't hurt the terrorists that hate us.

    Sure we have killed a bunch of the f***ers, but we have convinced a whole of a lot of people that we are evil.

    I am not saying that isn't twisted, but that is the growing perception of the US. It is a reality whether we wish it otherwise.

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    The "New York Times" Hey give us a credible news source, okay?
    http://www.dni.gov/press_releases/De..._Judgments.pdf

    How about the do ent they are reading from?

    "The Iraq conflict has become a 'cause celebre' for jihadists, breeding a deep resentment of US involvement in the muslim world..."

    Read it yourself.

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    This whole thing is a battle of ideas, not weapons or even killing.

    We are losing that battle of ideas, and Iraq plays a HUGE part of that.

    This is not some silly "anti-american" rant, this is simply a cold-hard assessment of perceptions of the US.

    The suck thing is that when we leave that will be seen as their "winning" no matter what the reality on the ground is, but if we stay that "proves" we are Imperialistic.

    This whole thing has been lose/lose from the beginning.

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    This whole thing is a battle of ideas, not weapons or even killing.

    We are losing that battle of ideas, and Iraq plays a HUGE part of that.

    This is not some silly "anti-american" rant, this is simply a cold-hard assessment of perceptions of the US.

    The suck thing is that when we leave that will be seen as their "winning" no matter what the reality on the ground is, but if we stay that "proves" we are Imperialistic.

    This whole thing has been lose/lose from the beginning.

    See, but that's a legitimate, intelligent sounding argument. Totally opposite of the way Boutons comes across.

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    Dirka dirka jihad

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    seriously these guys were morons, doesn't our gas money pay for their terrorist schools.

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    the question is, why is our fbi arming and training terrorist cells?

    For the same reason anti-virus companies make viruses?

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    the question is, why is our fbi arming and training terrorist cells?
    The answer is:

    They aren't.

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    See, but that's a legitimate, intelligent sounding argument. Totally opposite of the way Boutons comes across.
    Thank you.

    I try to read enough to offer informed opinions of things, and try to keep my mouth shut when it is something out of my area of interest/expertise.

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    Shades of Miami...

    He railed against the United States, helped scout out military installations for attack, offered to introduce his comrades to an arms dealer, and gave them a list of weapons he could procure, including machine guns and rocket-propelled grenades.

    These were not the actions of a terrorist, but of a paid FBI informant who helped bring down an alleged plot by six Muslim men to massacre U.S. soldiers at New Jersey's Fort Dix.

    And those actions have raised questions of whether the government crossed the line and pushed the six men down a path they would not have otherwise followed.

    It is an argument - entrapment - that has been made in other terrorism cases, and one that has failed miserably in this post-Sept. 11 era.

    One defense attorney on the case, Troy Archie, said no decision has been made on whether to argue entrapment, but based on the FBI's own account, ``the guys sort of led them on.''
    The Guardian

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    Hey dan and boutons and GGA, have you all
    started your legal defense fund yet for the
    Fort Dix Six?

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