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Yeah, just heard about it. Scary stuff.
I've waited all day to see if anyone would post this - no one has. How sad that we have PAGES and PAGES of idiotic posts about 9/11 conspiracies, yet no one thought this news was important.
This hit very close to home for me because my son is stationed at McGuire AFB and it is encompassed by Fort Dix. When I heard the news this morning - my heart dropped into my stomach!
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Fort Dix Terror Plot Foiled
FBI: New Jersey jihadists targeted servicemen at Army base
MAY 8--A group of Islamic radicals conspired to kill U.S. servicemen at New Jersey's Fort Dix Army base, but the plot was disrupted when the FBI infiltrated the cell with two paid informants. The terror plan is detailed in the below FBI affidavit, which was filed today in U.S. District Court in Camden, where the six plotters have been charged with planning to kill military members. According to the affidavit, investigators began probing the cell last January, when a video store worker contacted them after a customer brought a DVD to be duplicated. The DVD showed 10 young men "Shooting assault weapons at a firing range in a militia-like style while calling for jihad and shouting in Arabic 'Allah Akbar' ('God is Great')." Within six months, the FBI had placed two cooperating witnesses within the terror cell, and both recorded meetings and phone conversations with the plotters. Along with eyeing Fort Dix, members of the group allegedly surveilled the Lakehurst Naval Air Engineering Station and Fort Monmouth in New Jersey, Dover Air Force Base in Delaware, and a Coast Guard building in Philadelphia. They also reportedly considered an attack timed to the annual Army-Navy college football game in Philadelphia. One of the charged conspirators, Serdar Tatar, was familiar with Fort Dix because his family owns a pizzeria nearby and he had delivered food there. Tatar allegedly obtained a map of the military base and provided it to his cohorts. The wannabe jihadists often viewed terror training videos, clips featuring Osama bin Laden, and a tape containing the last will and testament of at least two of the 9/11 hijackers. They also viewed tapes depicting armed attacks on U.S. military personnel and erupted in laughter when one plotter noted that a Marine's arm was blown off in one such ambush. The affidavit notes that the group recently trained at a firing range in the Poconos (where they rented a house in Gouldsboro, Pennsylvania). In a conversation recorded last month by one FBI informant, alleged conspirator Dritan Duka spoke about the need for secrecy. "I got five kids so I don't wanna go down," said Duka, who added that were he to be caught, people might think, "I'm a terrorist." (20 pages)
Yeah, just heard about it. Scary stuff.
Sounds like good old gumshoe work, hard, tedious, patience.
I wonder how much of the nastiness in the Patriot Act, etc was used?
In doesn't matter. dubya/ head/gonzo will soon exploiting this affair to say the Exec cannot assure NatSec without a lot more more unbridled, unmonitored access by the Exec to US citizens' private lives.
Of course, much of the info so obtained willl be used by Rove/RNC for Repug partisan advancement.
Good detective work. The army couldn't keep these guys from following us home.
I wonder why the following comment from one of the alleged terrorist was not included in the above?
One defendant, Eljvir Duka, was recorded as saying: "In the end, when it comes to defending your religion, when someone ... attacks your religion, your way of life, then you go jihad."
They're mostly (4 of 6) from the former Yugoslavia, and one is a US citizen. Two have "green cards". All are stupid. They were busted out by a gun store clerk when they asked him to transfer some tape to DVD. Bunch of guys firing automatic waepons and screaming "Allah Akbar!!". MENSA is not in the cards for these ' s, I think. The clerk contacted authorities, and they infiltrated. Lucky break. One of them had easy access to Ft. Dix, via his father's pizza shop delivery service.
No good deed goes unpunished. We stop the Serbs from wasting these s and this is the thanks we get.
But,but I thought the Iraq war going to keep the terrorists from fighting us in the streets of New York?
On a side note I'm glad that people are on the lookout for charachters like these dudes. I believe the best defense we have is Joe Public stepping up and taking notice.
Bad poll numbers is why this is being reported.
boutons, I mean this in the nicest way possible, but I am 100% confident in saying you are the dumbest son of a on this board.
Well of course this goes back on Bill Clinton.
Where those 4 came from, there are thousands more...its sad that its not getting any media coverage. You can go to youtube, and find videos of these "types" going through training drills somewhere in Bosnia and Herzegovina, and probably in Albania.
Aggie, "nice take on the discussion".
Some legal experts say 'not so fast'
ChronicleWary of a number of federal anti-terror cases that proved to be overblown, two legal experts cautioned about attaching too much significance to Tuesday's arrest of six Muslims for plotting to attack Fort Dix.
The federal government's strategy to aggressively intervene early with any suspected terrorism plot, no matter how small, has sometimes resulted in prosecutions that failed to live up to their initial billing.
"The fact is that most of those arrested (in the past) are small fry and wannabes," said Daniel Benjamin, a terrorism expert at the Brookings Ins ution in Washington. "That's a reflection of the fact that al-Qaida has a hard time getting people in here and has higher priorities."
Federal prosecutors in New Jersey were quick to note that the six men arrested Tuesday — all from the former Yugoslavia and the Middle East — had no known ties to international terrorists. The arrests were initially announced from the White House, attaching a significance that implied it was more than a homegrown conspiracy.
Show me one that did. I can't think of a single case.
Don't those idiots know Jersey voted Appeas...er I mean Democrat?
15 months wasn't enough time to determine the threat here?The federal government's strategy to aggressively intervene early with any suspected terrorism plot, no matter how small, has sometimes resulted in prosecutions that failed to live up to their initial billing.
It's clear that Dan and Boutons wish these people would have managed to finish off their plot, so that they could say "I told you so".
Exactly
"wish these people would have managed to finish off their plot"
"I told you so".
what's clear is that you mother ing right-wingers spew nothing but lies and slime because you don't have a point or a case.
If the Repugs don't spin this as more justification to violate Americans' freedoms and privacy, it will be because they must know the case could turn into another fake "Miami 7" fiasco.
Or, they know the WH+Repugs are so untrusted, unbelieved, and polling in the toilet that they wil keep a low profile to avoid getting kicked in the balls yet again.
From what I have seen, they have a pretty good case here, with a long train of evidence.
I will reserve judgement, but this doesn't quite look like the other cases where the gov't jumped the gun a bit.
The only point that I was making was that you guys clearly are rooting for terrorists.
In fact, I don't think I've made any political points in the political forum for quite some time. Just observations in regards to Dan's 9/11 stuff (such as "Dan, you are a re ") and that you hate America.
I am sure some on this board will want to start a defense fund
for these six people. Especially the two illegals, oooppps,
undo ented immigrants. Right boutons, I know you want to
be the first in line!
Hey Ray please explain how the unecessary war in Iraq would stop these types of attacks? We are fighting for our freedom there correct? We fight them there so we don't have to here? Here's your shot to tie everything together..
Could be that Fort Dix is where Clinton put a bunch of these
folks from Kosovo when he was in office. What do you think.
You what's really wierd Ray? I was just listening to hush limp and he was making that strange correllation between these dudes and the Clintons. He didn't need any proof he just decided to make the same baseless claim you did..and of course the kool aid drinkers went along..
Oh, I forgot, you must have the ability to think. Sorry. Wont
ask you to do that again.
By the way, have you PM'd boutons about the defense fund for
that bunch.
And Yeah, I heard the same thing you did. Wonder why they
picked out Fort Dix?
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