LOL....sorry my basketball memory doesn't allow me to recall everytime an NBA player was suspended and I wasn't going to be bothered to google it. But if you feel the need to ridicule I can take all you can dish. Whatever makes you feel better about yourself man
AMORE IS A PUSSY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Since some want to ridicule I can play along.
Who the is Amore? Does he play for The Sons?
and you guys call AMARE, stupid.
Don't be a hater, you know you Spurs fans loved seeing Kobe being taken down. Own up!! You guys must hate LA and the Mavs as much as we do, or I am just a drunken shade of my former self with little sense of reality.
I'm sorry but "not recalling" that Karl Malone was the dirtiest player of the last couple of decades in the context of the NBA is akin to "not recalling" that earth was proven to be round as opposed to being flat.LOL....sorry my basketball memory doesn't allow me to recall everytime an NBA player was suspended and I wasn't going to be bothered to google it. But if you feel the need to ridicule I can take all you can dish. Whatever makes you feel better about yourself man
If you have to consider using Google to determine whether Malone has ever been suspended then you just don't know much about the NBA. It's that simple. I defy you to find a basketball fan of any team that would disagree.
Dumbass, I was using a hypothetical argument to illustrate how stupid the actual argument sounds.Actually, you argument is utterly ridiculous. Where are the mutlitple youtube videos of Diaw repeatedly trying to rip someones arm out?
"Whether he is found guilty and disciplined by the NBA is not the point"??That is our, Suns fans, point that just gets overlooked by Spurs fans. There are countless videos of Bowen using his "foot defense" and other than Raja Bell no other Suns player, I believe posseses any of these tactics. There is a history with Bowen, whether or not he is found guilty and disciplined by the NBA is not the point. There are many players, fans, and coaches of teams other than the Suns that have repeatedly brought this up. That is our point or at least mine.
Oh my God!
You have just admitted that it doesn't matter what the league says, YOU have made up your mind because a couple of ing whiners on other teams made up some bull about Bowen!
So if the league has never found Bowen guilty, then what the is up? How does Dirty Bruce Bowen keep on getting away with this malfeasance? Do you think the Spurs are favored by Stern and company? Please -- make the argument that David Stern loves to see boring small-market San Antonio win the NBA championship. I dare you.
It's funny how someone remembers an obscure foul on Zarko Capybara but forgets whether Karl Malone was ever suspended.
From KPS0001 [That is our, Suns fans, point that just gets overlooked by Spurs fans. There are countless videos of Bowen using his "foot defense" and other than Raja Bell no other Suns player, I believe posseses any of these tactics...There are many players, fans, and coaches of teams other than the Suns that have repeatedly brought this up.]
There are many people who have repeatedly brought up the idea that you are a dumbass...does that make it fact? Well....maybe it does. So how about this? Pull up this video of the first Suns/Spurs playoff game this year.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dWnWr...elated&search=
Look at the 10 second mark of the clip. Is that Shawn Marion sticking his feet right where Tony Parker is about to land after shooting a jumper?
Look at the 1:23 mark of the video. Isn't that Shawn Marion submarining Bruce Bowen as he shoots a 3-pointer?
Look at the 1:30 mark. Isn't that Steve Nash sticking his foot under Tony Parker as he shoots a jumper?
And my favorite, the 1:41 mark. Isn't that Steve Nash delivering an intentional head-butt on Tony Parker at a critical point in the game?
Didn't those guys utilize a "foot defense"? Wasn't Nash guilty of an incredibly dirty play that could have resulted in permanent injury to another player? (Not to mention himself.) Aren't those the exact same things Bruce Bowen is guilty of, which means the Suns are dirty players?
My psychic powers tell me that you are now confused. The answer is NO. They are guys playing defense in the NBA, and happens. The Suns may not do it as much because...well...they don't play defense as much. For that matter, nobody plays defense (particularly perimeter defense) as much as Bruce Bowen. But you can see that when Shawn Marion flies out to defend a 3, he stretches out and gets his foot under the shooter as much as Bruce Bowen ever has. Is Marion "clean" just because Bowen didn't happen to roll an ankle? Is Bowen dirty because Steve Francis did? Nope.
If you are really interested in the truth, go out and look at the clip of Bruce defending Francis on that 3. Francis launches from a foot outside the 3-point line. Bowen is a foot inside the 3-point line when Francis lands on his foot and rolls the ankle. What does that tell you? Francis jumped forward. Bruce didn't "submarine" him. But Francis claimed that Bruce was dirty, and it got national attention.
Then again...Amare Stoudamire told the national media that he knew he got kicked during the game. We all know now that isn't the case. Don't give me the "where there's smoke there's fire" argument.
If you know anything about people, you know that what Amare is doing is preparing to lose. He's lining up excuses and slights like a squirrel collects acorns before winter. I was laughing when he was telling the press that he told Bowen to chill during game one. Hey Amare, champions play at a high energy level. Learn or burn.
No on all of those questions, because no one has accused them of playing dirty before. You're only dirty if you've been accused of it a few times.Look at the 10 second mark of the clip. Is that Shawn Marion sticking his feet right where Tony Parker is about to land after shooting a jumper?
Look at the 1:23 mark of the video. Isn't that Shawn Marion submarining Bruce Bowen as he shoots a 3-pointer?
Look at the 1:30 mark. Isn't that Steve Nash sticking his foot under Tony Parker as he shoots a jumper?
And my favorite, the 1:41 mark. Isn't that Steve Nash delivering an intentional head-butt on Tony Parker at a critical point in the game?
The only do ented history in regard to Bowen's reported "dirty play" is overwelming evidence that some stars cry when faced with tough defense. And some coaches, owners and players try to work the zebras, especially in the playoffs to get any advantage they can.
Bowen has played the same style of defense for seven years, averaging huge minutes mostly against the other teams very best perimenter offensive threat. If you are concerned with fact, the low amount of fouls, few F1s, no F2s and no suspensions demonstrate he is far from a dirty player.
But why let facts get in the way. You are free to follow all the crying es, consiracy theoriest and mindless parrots chirping in the media with no real evidence to demonstrate they are ingaged in rational thought.
Either that, or quit being a gullable crying sack of $hit and pull your head out and join the real World.
Amare needs to do his push ups again.
Pussy.
all these nice pictures pointing out body parts is making me LOL. more dammit more!
THERMITE!
Oops. Wrong forum....
I have to come here and give props to kps0001, not only did you kept the argument civil (well, as civil as possible) throughout, you are the only one who showed up after more and more evidence showed Amare made stuff up, unlike those who just disappeared, or worse, claim to be sick of the topic and start posting Laker-Suns video.
I always thought that in the NBA the opposite of dirty was soft.. but it seems now the spurs are soft and dirty which is possible I guess.
Raja Bell's the dirtiest player in the league. At least Kobe respects Bowen somewhat. Everybody knows that Kobe thinks Raja is a piece of after that dirty clothesline. At least Bowen's never tried to kill another player on the court like Raja "Flop till you Drop" Bell.
Jeez. Give me some credit. Of course I am aware of the history with Karl Malone to know he has been suspended before and known as a dirty player, nice reach there. I couldn't recall or be bothered to recall a specific example as I provided in the other two instances. Does that clear things up for ya?
see above reply ...
Do you know the definition of hypothetical or hypothesis?
Here you go since I find the need to spell things out in grave detail to some here.
1 a : an assumption or concession made for the sake of argument b : an interpretation of a practical situation or condition taken as the ground for action
2 : a tentative assumption made in order to draw out and test its logical or empirical consequences
3 : the antecedent clause of a conditional statement
I am simply stating your hypothetical argument has some flaws or is not a viable argument, if you will. But I am the dumbass? Isn't the overall purpose of a hypothesis to create dialogue as to the validity of that hypothesis? You seem not to be able to prove your hypothesis that you so cleverly made up. Instead you resort to calling names and using big words you apparently don't know the definitions of in an attempt to sound smart or tough on a message board.
Your argument is utterly ridiculous since you are trying to compare the accusation in question to Boris Diaw who has never been termed a dirty player and in, my opinion and probably everyone else's, is soft as . See I can look at my players with objectivity. That is the big difference. I understand completely trying to defend or stand up for your teams players. The fact is many here don't do it due to blind homerism.
Some of the posters on here are in complete denial that Bowen has ever done anything wrong but the amount of evidence from, what you term " a couple of ing whiners on other teams made up some bull on Bowen!", is proof enough that the subject is not foreign to Spurs fans. Most act as if it is and Bowen is the Dalai Lama.
Other than Raja Bell there is not anyone else on the Suns whose name comes up in the subject as being a dirty player compared with Bowen or anywhere close. Have there been some plays in this series, by Suns players that are dirty, of course. I believe I have said multiple times in my total of around 100 posts here that I didn't think the Bowen thing on Amare was intentional; along with the fact that when you get termed a great defender the dirty player stigma is usually associated with it.
It doesn't matter what the league says about it. Just because the league does nothing about it you call it a "bull rep". Well the rep is there. Whether its bull or not that depends on how you look at it. I look at it as Bowen being a dirty player plain and simple. A great player as well. Does he do anything illegal? Obviously not. Well a few times but I can't recall specifics
You look at it as if Bowen can't be a dirty player because the league has never seen any reason to suspend him for it. So the league determines he is doing nothing illegal, if you choose, in these instances vocalized by "a couple of ing whiners on other teams" . Does that absolve him completely of ever being termed a dirty player? We have already determined, Spurs fan alike, that most great defenders are termed dirty players. Is Bowen not a great defender?
In time he will no longer get away with as much. Just like Kobe and the elbowing incidents. Whether they were intentional or not. Enough people brought it to the attention of the league and/or media and it finally resulted in some disciplinary action being taken.
No I don't buy into the conspiracy theory you bring up. Only to try to provoke something.
I dunno my wife calls me one everyday so you may have a point. But then again those on here who have called me a dumbass seem to not be able to come back and prove anything logically to me without just resorting to more name calling and posting with silver and black spurs glasses on and having any objectivity. Back up some statements with some proof.
again you bring up one video of our current series, I guess..I didn't really watch it. I have already said there have been dirty plays on both ends. Difference here again is there is a history with Bowen.
thanks.
wrong. Kobe respects Raja alot. I wouldn't expect a Spurs fan to know but Kobe has praised Raja's D. Kobe was able to get passed it but Spurs fans can't because there isn't a whole lot more to bring up about Raja. Always the Kobe incident. Get over it...Kobe did.
Stoud's a gash.
HIBACHI !
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