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footloose, footloose...take off your sunday shoes.
I just got off the phone with a college friend of mine who works for a station in Phoenix. (He loves Nash, but he says D'Antoni is a crybaby and he really hates him.) He says that there is another camera angle of the incident that tells the story a little differently. (Actually, he said that it makes Stoudamire look like a whiny, lying .) He also said that D'Antoni and the Suns are trying hard to back off of this thing and let it go away quietly now.
My friend said that someone on the Suns' staff was looking at a replay and saw what he thought was a kick. He told D'Antoni and Stoudamire, and they got their panties in a wad before getting all the facts. Suddenly Amare "remembered" getting kicked in the Achilles, and got in front of a reporter with the story. When D'Antoni was first asked about it, he was pretty vocal. But not long afterward, he heard that there might be a problem with their information, and suddenly he said that he didn't think it was a big deal - the league would probably review the film and whatever they decide will be fine.
From the other camera angle, what happened is this: Stoudamire was on the way up, and the very end of the heel of his (Stoudamire's) shoe hit the sole of Bowen's shoe, near the toe. He said that Amare's toes were pointed straight down because he had just lifted off, so his heel was coming straight up. Bowen's foot was coming down (not forward, as in a kick) at that point, and it was the edge of Amare's shoe-heel that hit the bottom of Bowen's shoe. Nothing ever touched Stoudamire's Achilles tendon, and the contact was nothing more than a light brush anyway. (I am doing my best to write this down quickly, while it is fresh in my mind.)
Someone asked Amare why, if it was such an obvious kick, he didn't react during the game. Stoudamire said that he didn't want to risk getting a technical, or getting ejected from the game. But earlier he had said that he wasn't upset about anything until after he looked at the replay. But the first thing my friend asked was, "If he wasn't upset, why would there have been any thought of getting a tech?" Nobody has ever accused Amare Stoudamire of being smart, and he apparently failed to notice that his stories don't add up.
The one other thing he told me was that it is very clear what happened from looking at the game film. Stoudamire came down awkwardly, on his left foot, after making the dunk. He said that Amare later claimed that the reason he came down awkwardly is because of the kick. (Another variation of the story.) But he said that if you look at the video from the other angle, I am told, it is clear that it was a light brush, and that Stoudamire's foot wasn't deflected at all. There is no way that it could have caused him to come down awkwardly. His body was too far under the basked by the time he got the ball to the rim, and making the dunk threw him off balance.
The word is that Stoudamire has been instructed not to say another word to the press about the incident. They are going to claim that the league will handle it as they see fit. But the truth is they want it to go away now. And that also fits. You know Mike D'Antoni would never quit whining about something like this, if there were really anything to it. , he's still whining about things that happened years ago. I knew that he was a sniveling ...I just didn't know Stoudamire was.
Last edited by GSH; 05-11-2007 at 05:19 PM.
footloose, footloose...take off your sunday shoes.
The league already handled it. They said Bowen didn't do anything.The word is that Stoudamire has been instructed not to say another word to the press about the incident. They are going to claim that the league will handle it as they see fit.
As for Amare - The Suns also didn't like it that he told the press about the switch to start KThomas before Game 2. So, they are probably just going to gag him from the media
We can only hope.So, they are probably just going to gag him from the media
Anyway, we were just watching the replay of Game 5 of the 2005 series - damn Amare was a frickin BEAST.
I thought it was a little odd for him to give away the team's strategy. He needs to learn when to keep his mouth shut.As for Amare - The Suns also didn't like it that he told the press about the switch to start KThomas before Game 2. So, they are probably just going to gag him from the media
the very end of the heel of his (Stoudamire's) shoe hit the sole of Bowen's shoe"
LOL
Amare should wear a nozzle next time he is interviewed
kid is as dumb as a brick
Now, are you a convert?
I want amare to keep talking
he keeps looking like a fool
Not at all. The footage speaks for itself, as do the other dozen times Bowie tried to undercut. It's just that the latest explanation is so goofy I had to laugh.
Well since your friend said this I guess that settles it. Seeing as nobody that I talked to here in Phoenix has said anything like this. But hey one more thread about the subject is definately justified. Especially with all the concrete evidence that you and your "friend" provided to support such.
Right, Bowen is just so amazingly talented that he's escaped suspension all these years. Either that or there's a conspiracy in the league to protect him. Yeah, that's it. Gotta be.Not at all. The footage speaks for itself, as do the other dozen times Bowie tried to undercut. It's just that the latest explanation is so goofy I had to laugh.
To be fair, it's not just Bowen. The league protects all of their dirty players.
LMAO at the first post, though. Somebody's got a lot of free time.
Funny that Manu is dirty for sticking his knee out, but Amare isn't dirty for putting his forearm into Manu's throat. Bowen's guilty when Amare accuses him because others have accused him, but the accusation turns out to be bull but Bowen's still dirty because of the other accusations from the likes of Isiah and Vince Carter.
My new desktop background. No more mark cuban crying after GS whooped them This is too funny.
you have a pic of Cuban crying? can you post it? I could use a laugh
My new desktop background. No more mark cuban crying after GS whooped them This is too funny.
So true. Malone never got suspended either, I forgot. Fortson either. Even Artest has managed to escape suspension. Touche.
Yeah, like I've been saying, from one angle it can be perceived as dirty. But from the angle that you can actually see what happened, you can tell that Bowen is guilty of stepping on the back of Stoudemire's shoe.
Owned.
Yeah, like I've been saying, from one angle it can be perceived as dirty. But from the angle that you can actually see what happened, you can tell that Bowen is guilty of stepping on the back of Stoudemire's shoe.
And you don't think that's dirty? Wow, I would have expected something different from your corner.
I hear that when someone touches the back of your shoe, it can hurt your achilles real bad. To the point where it might take a day to recover. You'd also have to call that person out in the press just to make sure everyone knows how dirty they really are - but certainly not because you're scared or anything crazy like that.
The fact is, Stu did not base his judgment on the YouTube video that was shown to us on TV. There are cameras scattered throughtout the court. , there are even cameras installed at the floor.
OMG...where did you get that shot? That's exactly what he described to me. I did my best to relay it, but that picture says it all. Stoudamire's heel is coming up, and the contact is with the bottom of Bruce's foot. Not a kick.
I asked for a copy of the video clip earlier, but he said he would get his ass kicked. Stoudamire really is a lying, whining . The Suns fans look stupid. All things considered, a really good day. Very nice pulling that one out. Your sources are impressive.
From PhxDog [And you don't think that's dirty? Wow, I would have expected something different from your corner.]
Doesn't matter what we would call it. You do have to admit that it isn't a kick, don't you? And your big man went national with the story that Bowen had kicked him. Sorry. He may be a great player, but he is also Bruce's now.
And whichever one of you questioned "my friend"? Do I even need to say to kiss my ass?
Last edited by GSH; 05-11-2007 at 06:04 PM.
Since you seem to be looking for a response, here's what I said on my home board yesterday:
After watching the better camera angles, I have to change my mind. I don't think Bowen kicked Amare in the ankle; I think he stomped on the back of Amare's shoe.
I guess it's a new twist on the Isiah Thomas move (Isiah was famous for stepping on the feet of jump-shooters as they were trying to elevate). Thank goodness we're all able to watch such a fantastic innovator, eh?
Now, as for whether Bowen was targeting Amare's microfracture knee specifically, or whether he only went after Amare's left foot because it was closer to him, I still couldn't tell you.
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