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Wilt was just as good on D a better rebounder than Russell and a much better offensive player even Russell admits to that.
Not a 2 man team they had Horry in his prime, Fisher very good pg during those years, Rick Fox was a good player for them. Spurs best years i would agree were a little deeper than the Lakers but Kobe counts for a lot he is an all time great player. Other than Jordan is there really any player better than him at the 2 guard?
Wilt was just as good on D a better rebounder than Russell and a much better offensive player even Russell admits to that.
Block statistics weren't kept back then, but I've heard Russell's contemporaries rave about his one on one and help defense being the best they'd ever seen. Also, I've never seen Bill Russell compare himself favorably to the other great players in the history of the game, unlike Wilt (God rest his soul) was prone to do. That was more indicative of a character trait then rooted in reality imo.
Am I the only guy who thinks Kareem is the undisputed second best player of all time?
To me Wilt is, Kareem is in the top 5 for sure.
I've always seen him as having the best combination of stats and winning.
How many of those won a le without another hall of famer as their teammate? The only thing most of those guys have on TD is a few decades for their legend to grow.
duncan will have more les then this one if he wins this year
I hope he makes it a mission to repeat, Just to make the Dynasty complete.
Problem is, I am worried that too much success in the next couple of years might make it more likely for him to hang it up at the end of his current contract.
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Bird won three les: 81, 84 and 86. Tim is playing for his 4th le.
You can't judge a player mid-career, but when Timmy retires he's 2nd to jordan.
And Bird only (!) got 2 Finals MVP's. Duncan's got 3 (as of this moment.)
i meant compe ioncompetence.
its hard when you dont know a language, that is not your natal one, very good. thanks for pointing
About the only thing Bird has on TD is his skin color and playing in the large media market that still bemoans TD being 'stolen' from them a decade later.
Bird was seriously fun to watch and he was so damn good at trash talking, he was probably the best trash talker in NBA history, because he could always back it up. For instance, Bill Walton said that after a timeout, where the coach painstakingly drew up a play, Bird would walk out on to the flloor and tell his opponents exactly what play he was going to run and he would still score on them.
That is good stuff.
im not a cleveland fan. im a anti-duncan, anti-bowen, anti-parker and anti-pop
Bird's so underrated on this board. Bird could do anything on the offensive end, and he was the second greatest clutch player I've ever seen. To me, Bird vs. Magic is a toss up for the second greatest player all-time. Those 80s Celtics had the hardest roads to the Finals in NBA history. In the early 80s they had to go through a supremely talented Sixers team that boasted one of the 5 greatest teams in NBA history with their 1983 group. Milwaukee was a step below, but still a of a team with lots of scoring. Then, they had to go through some of the deepest teams in NBA history in the Pistons... and after all that work, three times they had to go up against a ridiculously deep, talented, and rested Lakers team that pretty much got a bye to the Finals in a weak Western Conference.
Bird was seriously fun to watch and he was so damn good at trash talking, he was probably the best trash talker in NBA history, because he could always back it up. For instance, Bill Walton said that after a timeout, where the coach painstakingly drew up a play, Bird would walk out on to the flloor and tell his opponents exactly what play he was going to run and he would still score on them.
That is good stuff.
You're referring to the one he hit in Xavier McDaniel's face at the Kingdome.
I think Bird's incredible, and I'm starting to think Duncan deserves to be in the discussion. Considering that Duncan's career isn't close to over, that's saying something.
Bird is the reason I'm an NBA fan.
I was in college in RI his rookie year. We used to drive into Boston and get cheap tickets at the door on game nights.
You see Bird play live in his first season you become a fan.
He was incredible.
And Duncan does deserve to be in the discussion. I can't imagine what we'll be saying after he retires considering his accomplishments so far.
No way homer.
Just wait til Timmy retires and about 15-20 years later people will look back and finally realize how dominating he is.......All these fans on here writing about the guys in the past always inflate how good they are after they have been gone so long and we forget to stop and realize how good some of these players in this era are.....Kobe/Timmy....The way Tim can change a game on both sides of the ball makes him better than Magic and Bird
Another sort of category or modification of it will be created for Timmy, since it's hard to, in a limiting fashion, pinpoint his contributions while focusing on the position/skills that a PF traditionally has.
He loves playing out of position as it is.
His skills encompass those of being a scorer, rebounder, facilitator, shot blocker, passer and not to forget, team defender. Those times when he lurks around the perimeter or top of the key for a medium range j or 2 come to mind also.
What should humble the skeptics is that TD likely has 5 more seasons playing at this level in front of him. His resume already is good enough to be an unanimous first ballot Hall of Famer. As long as the Spurs can keep the supporting cast around him, TP, and Manu replenished with talented like-minded teammates the legend will continue to grow.
That's a great point. It will take ten years for people to look back at how good tim is... how good kobe, shaq, jkidd, cweb, dirk (elw), AI, and how good this era was in general.
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