Duncan vs. KG facts.

[PM5K]

T-Wolves get pretty good picks ever year, and just waste them. So that little excuse is bull

First of all, you seem to forget that thanks to Joe Smith and Kevin Mchale the TWolves lost their first round picks for five years, including the year that Tony Parker was drafted, and as far as I know Kevin doesn't actually pick the players the TWolves draft..

[Infamous]

Here are the facts.

T'Wolves has one of the worst GM's in the NBA.

Tim Duncan has always been surrounded with a GREAT supporting cast.

Kevin Garnett HASN'T, his BEST supporting cast was in 2004, why couldn't they win it all that year you say? Well..they got eliminated by the Lakers, THE SAME YEAR THE SPURS GOT ELIMINATED BY THE LAKERS. The same team the Spurs were always eliminated by the Shaq-Kobe era excluding 99 and 03.

Give Garnett a great coach like Pop, give him guards that can penetrate, shooters, dirty work players, and Garnett will win championships.

[samikeyp]

Spurs fans claimed that Duncan owned KG every time he played him.

I am a Spurs fan and have never said that so your implication that all Spurs fans think that is a lie.

So much for Duncan "owning Garnett".

And for Garnett "owning" Duncan which has been posted before and it what you are implying.

Knew THAT was coming!!!

"Ok ok...so Duncan doesn't outplay KG, but we meant that Duncan owns KG when it comes to rings".

So....Championships don't matter?

[ChumpDumper]

Now lakerfan chimes in just as the KG-to-LA article comes up.

Like clockwork.

[samikeyp]

When the NBA decides championships by one on one player matchups....this thread will become relevant.

[Extra Stout]

And yet, Everyone knows and loves KG while most people don't have a clue who Tim Duncan is.

Why is that?

We keep trying to explain to you Suns fans that you win NBA games by scoring more points than the other team, not by winning a fan vote.

[ShoogarBear]

Well..they got eliminated by the Lakers, THE SAME YEAR THE SPURS GOT ELIMINATED BY THE LAKERS. The same team the Spurs were always eliminated by the Shaq-Kobe era excluding 99 and 03.

And 00. So 3 out of 6 = always. But who needs math, anyway? Or a point?

Also, no way that a team with Tim Duncan + four guys with pulses ever misses the playoffs.

[PM5K]

So....Championships don't matter?

They don't when the playing field isn't fair, there is no way Kevin could be expected to win a Championship with the teammates he had, when was the last time the TWolves were a favorite to win a Championship?

[FromWayDowntown]

You wouldn't happen to have head to head records would you? Playoffs included, of course.

If you're asking me, in fact, I do -- at least T'Wolves v. Spurs in the TD/KG era:

Since 1997-98, the Spurs are 29-17 (.630) against the T'Wolves. I don't have time right now to take out games in which either Garnett or Duncan did not play, but I'm not sure that there have been too many of those -- less than 5 total, I suspect.

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

If you're asking me, in fact, I do -- at least T'Wolves v. Spurs in the TD/KG era:

Since 1997-98, the Spurs are 29-17 (.630) against the T'Wolves. I don't have time right now to take out games in which either Garnett or Duncan did not play, but I'm not sure that there have been too many of those -- less than 5 total, I suspect.

For some reason, there are 13 missing games according to D-S-F's link.

[samikeyp]

They don't when the playing field isn't fair, there is no way Kevin could be expected to win a Championship with the teammates he had, when was the last time the TWolves were a favorite to win a Championship?

The playing field is fair. The T-Wolves front office has the same resources and same rules and structure the Spurs front office has when it comes to fielding a team. Don't blame the Spurs because the T-Wolves have morons for front office personell.

Bottom line is this....all that matters is winning a le. That is the (or at least should be) the only goal any team or player has. If its not, then those who don't believe that have no business being in pro sports.

[Spurminator]

If you're asking me, in fact, I do

Sorry, I was really asking Sun Fan... I assume he hasn't responded because he's trying to find out where they keep track of wins and losses.

[PM5K]

The playing field is fair. The T-Wolves front office has the same resources and same rules and structure the Spurs front office has when it comes to fielding a team. Don't blame the Spurs because the T-Wolves have morons for front office personell.

Bottom line is this....all that matters is winning a le. That is the (or at least should be) the only goal any team or player has. If its not, then those who don't believe that have no business being in pro sports.

That isn't the bottom line, we aren't comparing the Spurs to the TWolves, we are comparing Kevin Garnett to Tim Duncan.

[samikeyp]

That isn't the bottom line, we aren't comparing the Spurs to the TWolves, we are comparing Kevin Garnett to Tim Duncan.

I agree with that but I was responding to you responding to my earlier post.

[samikeyp]

Oh and for the record and the subject of this thread....

I have always believed that Garnett is the better athlete, but Duncan is the better basketball player.

[mardigan]

First of all, you seem to forget that thanks to Joe Smith and Kevin Mchale the TWolves lost their first round picks for five years, including the year that Tony Parker was drafted, and as far as I know Kevin doesn't actually pick the players the TWolves draft..

No, Im not forgetting.
Im remembering since 98 the Wolves drafting in the 1st round, Rasho with the 17th pick in 98, Wally Sczerbiak with the 6th pick and William Avery with the 14th pick in the sam draft,Ndubi Ebi with the 26th pick in 03, Rashad Mcants in 05 with the 14th pick. Foye seems like the only decent pick they have made in almost 10 years, and even that looks bad after they traded the rookie of the year away.
And I think any idiot realizes that KG didnt make those picks, but the claim that Duncan has had picks while KG has hasnt is a pretty stupid claim. Its not either players fault that they have the front offices that they do

[Spurminator]

Also, no way that a team with Tim Duncan + four guys with pulses ever misses the playoffs.

And that's why, frankly, this debate was over in 2005 at the latest.

Seriously, I defy anyone to name four NBA players that, combined with Duncan, would not be expected to make the Playoffs.

[AnkleBreaker21]

ask anybody in the league, nobody in their right mind would take kg over timmy.

[samikeyp]

And that's why, frankly, this debate was over in 2005 at the latest.

I would agree with that. Up until that point....Garnett's teams had no problem making the playoffs...it was advancing that was their issue, with the exception of 2004.

[PM5K]

If I had to choose I'd probably pick Tim Duncan like many here would, but it's annoying because every time this conversation comes up, and it comes up from time to time, it always ends with people saying that because Tim Duncan has more Championships he's the better player, and I don't see how a team accolade makes one individual player better than another.

[Spurs rock]

Duncan 4 rings
KG 0

That's the only stat that matters.

[AnkleBreaker21]

all this ing on here about tim from a bitter bitter cry baby sun's fan, wtf

[whottt]

No one seems to want to play with KG, and a lot of his ex-teamates seem to dislike him intensely....

Everyone is always jumping off that ship...

[PM5K]

And that's why, frankly, this debate was over in 2005 at the latest.

Seriously, I defy anyone to name four NBA players that, combined with Duncan, would not be expected to make the Playoffs.

Trenton Hassell - Marko Jaric - Michael Olowokandi - Wally Szczerbiak

[ShoogarBear]

If I had to choose I'd probably pick Tim Duncan like many here would, but it's annoying because every time this conversation comes up, and it comes up from time to time, it always ends with people saying that because Tim Duncan has more Championships he's the better player, and I don't see how a team accolade makes one individual player better than another.

Would Michael Jordan be the greatest player of all time if he didn't have six championships?