I wonder when the left will...

[George Gervin's Afro]

Such is the magical thinking of the warmongers...If only everyone would here would wave their little american flags harder and say only nice things about the Bush Administration, all our problems will go away!

Pix your right. I am going to run out right now and throw a couple more support the troop ribbons on my car.. I will just shut and be a good follower from here on out..

[PixelPusher]

Y'all have the Clintonian knack for compartmentalizing issues.

But that the humanitarian crisis in Iraq were the only issue you'd have a point in your tiny little brains.

But that didn't stop you from waxing self-righteous about our "humanitarian" obligation to stay in Iraq forever and ever, amen. Compartmentalization, indeed.

[Yonivore]

I think that's a great idea Yoni. You should go out and burn the koran on camera!! Go for it!!..be sure to leave your name and address for anyone to contact you.

You're funny. But, it certainly puts the lie to the meme that they're mad over anything substantial.

Knightings, cartoons, books...they're such a cerebral bunch, aren't they?

[PixelPusher]

You're funny. But, it certainly puts the lie to the meme that they're mad over anything substantial.

Knightings, cartoons, books...they're such a cerebral bunch, aren't they?

"They" as in religious extremists or "They" as in all Muslims in general?

[Yonivore]

Pix your right. I am going to run out right now and throw a couple more support the troop ribbons on my car.. I will just shut and be a good follower from here on out..

You obviously don't believe the lession of Vietnam.

But for the American Anti-War movement, the North Vietnam would have thrown in the towel long before our withdrawal. But, they hoped -- and were right -- the American protests would cause the U.S. to withdraw from Vietnam before the U.S. was able to defeat them militarily.

It is a shame you discount the effects of rabid anti-war rhetoric on morale and on policy. It emboldens and supports the enemy and, in the case of Vietnam, it forced an administration to give up and abandon Southeast Asia to the killing fields.

The North Vietnamese had not won a single military victory in the war and neither have al Qaeda or the insurgents in Iraq. Yet, with nonsense like you and Murtha and the rest of the idiots spouting, they may not have to in order to for the United States to be defeated, once again, in a war they can't lose militarily.

If our enemies saw a united front at home, they wouldn't stand a chance over there. Why do you think Zawahiri and bin Laden parrot the words of Anti-war Americans? Why do they want Democrats to win elections or praise us when we vote into office anti-war candidates?

[xrayzebra]

You obviously don't believe the lession of Vietnam.

But for the American Anti-War movement, the North Vietnam would have thrown in the towel long before our withdrawal. But, they hoped -- and were right -- the American protests would cause the U.S. to withdraw from Vietnam before the U.S. was able to defeat them militarily.

It is a shame you discount the effects of rabid anti-war rhetoric on morale and on policy. It emboldens and supports the enemy and, in the case of Vietnam, it forced an administration to give up and abandon Southeast Asia to the killing fields.

The North Vietnamese had not won a single military victory in the war and neither have al Qaeda or the insurgents in Iraq. Yet, with nonsense like you and Murtha and the rest of the idiots spouting, they may not have to in order to for the United States to be defeated, once again, in a war they can't lose militarily.

If our enemies saw a united front at home, they wouldn't stand a chance over there. Why do you think Zawahiri and bin Laden parrot the words of Anti-war Americans? Why do they want Democrats to win elections or praise us when we vote into office anti-war candidates?

Yoni, you can argue with GGA, because he is just another
Jane Fonda in drag.

[George Gervin's Afro]

Yoni, you can argue with GGA, because he is just another
Jane Fonda in drag.

Trust me ray I'm more of a patriotic american than your kool aid drinking ass.

[George Gervin's Afro]

You obviously don't believe the lession of Vietnam.

But for the American Anti-War movement, the North Vietnam would have thrown in the towel long before our withdrawal. But, they hoped -- and were right -- the American protests would cause the U.S. to withdraw from Vietnam before the U.S. was able to defeat them militarily.

It is a shame you discount the effects of rabid anti-war rhetoric on morale and on policy. It emboldens and supports the enemy and, in the case of Vietnam, it forced an administration to give up and abandon Southeast Asia to the killing fields.

The North Vietnamese had not won a single military victory in the war and neither have al Qaeda or the insurgents in Iraq. Yet, with nonsense like you and Murtha and the rest of the idiots spouting, they may not have to in order to for the United States to be defeated, once again, in a war they can't lose militarily.

If our enemies saw a united front at home, they wouldn't stand a chance over there. Why do you think Zawahiri and bin Laden parrot the words of Anti-war Americans? Why do they want Democrats to win elections or praise us when we vote into office anti-war candidates?

What lesson? The 'Gulf of Tonkin' lesson? WMDs for Iraq?? Somehow you take the notion that the foundation of our country relies on the ability of our citizens to protest and voice displeaure of our government as a convenience. We have already won the war Yoni that was the easy part yet somehow since bush broke Iraq I am supposed to just shut up and hope the idiot in command can find a noble way out of it. Sorry dude getting people like me to shut up won't help. In fact if bush would have listened to people like me we wouldn't have destablilized the middle east. Bush has ed up all along the way yet you still want me to be quiet. Go to

[xrayzebra]

Trust me ray I'm more of a patriotic american than your kool aid drinking ass.

Sure you are.

[George Gervin's Afro]

Sure you are.

I sleep well ray.

[Yonivore]

Yoni, you can argue with GGA, because he is just another
Jane Fonda in drag.

What GGA doesn't realize is that I'm not really speaking to him at all. I have absolutely no illusions about ever changing his mind on this or any other issue.

These threads get more views than posts.

[George Gervin's Afro]

Hey ray you told me more than once that we fight them in Iraq so we don't have to fight them over here..so what's all of this terrorism going about? please explain to me again how we fight 'them' (whomever they are) over there and not over here? doesn't seem to be working does it? Oh sorry I just need to shut up and play a good patriotic American..

[George Gervin's Afro]

What GGA doesn't realize is that I'm not really speaking to him at all. I have absolutely no illusions about ever changing his mind on this or any other issue.

These threads get more views than posts.

You are a hypocrite but your kind is slowly being faded to the far out fringe which is good for the country..

[Yonivore]

What lesson? The 'Gulf of Tonkin' lesson? WMDs for Iraq??

If either the "Gulf of Tonkin" incident or "WMDs in Iraq" were the only justifications given for entering into either conflict your pea brain might have a point but, they weren't...so, you don't. And anyway, you're hyperventilating about justification and not addressing prosecution. The fact remains, we entered into both conflicts whether you like the justification for doing so, or not.

Now, we're faced with a repeat of having the anti-War left seriously disrupt our prosecution of yet another war to the benefit and delight of the enemy. Maybe you should have been more persuasive during the election and had John Kerry as President but, you didn't...however, I doubt very seriously he would have done what you want either, to pull out of Iraq.

If the Democrats were truly serious about pulling out of Iraq, they'd be sponsoring bill after bill after bill trying to force the president to withdraw. But, after the first one gets shot down in flames 403-3, they realize no one really wants to pull out, they just want to bash the president over his Iraq policy for political points.

Unfortunately, it emboldens the enemy...just like the anti-war rhetoric during Vietnam.

Somehow you take the notion that the foundation of our country relies on the ability of our citizens to protest and voice displeaure of our government as a convenience. We have already won the war Yoni that was the easy part yet somehow since bush broke Iraq I am supposed to just shut up and hope the idiot in command can find a noble way out of it. Sorry dude getting people like me to shut up won't help. In fact if bush would have listened to people like me we wouldn't have destablilized the middle east. Bush has ed up all along the way yet you still want me to be quiet. Go to

Back to blithering...you barely make sense when you have no defense.

And 's going to be too crowded with you and your jihadi friends for me to go there. I'm on the right side of this argument. And, frankly, I don't care how you sleep at night. The definition of irony would be for you to be exiting a movie theater when some Iraqi-Afghani-Iranian-made jihadi detonates himself next to you or a loved one...particularly one that was released from Guantanamo Bay, Cuba.

For your sake, you'd better hope those you hate and work so hard to undermine can stop them.

[Yonivore]

Hey ray you told me more than once that we fight them in Iraq so we don't have to fight them over here..so what's all of this terrorism going about? please explain to me again how we fight 'them' (whomever they are) over there and not over here? doesn't seem to be working does it? Oh sorry I just need to shut up and play a good patriotic American..

Well, with the ineptness of most of their attempts, it's apparent they're the second string. I wonder where the starting team is? Oh yeah, rotting or hiding or in prison.

[Yonivore]

You are a hypocrite but your kind is slowly being faded to the far out fringe which is good for the country..

I proudly share the sentiment of the vast majority of a serving military. And, as such, I wear your idiotic criticism as a badge of honor.

You don't even know what hypocrisy is.

[George Gervin's Afro]

If either the "Gulf of Tonkin" incident or "WMDs in Iraq" were the only justifications given for entering into either conflict your pea brain might have a point but, they weren't...so, you don't. And anyway, you're hyperventilating about justification and not addressing prosecution. The fact remains, we entered into both conflicts whether you like the justification for doing so, or not.

Now, we're faced with a repeat of having the anti-War left seriously disrupt our prosecution of yet another war to the benefit and delight of the enemy. Maybe you should have been more persuasive during the election and had John Kerry as President but, you didn't...however, I doubt very seriously he would have done what you want either, to pull out of Iraq.

If the Democrats were truly serious about pulling out of Iraq, they'd be sponsoring bill after bill after bill trying to force the president to withdraw. But, after the first one gets shot down in flames 403-3, they realize no one really wants to pull out, they just want to bash the president over his Iraq policy for political points.

Unfortunately, it emboldens the enemy...just like the anti-war rhetoric during Vietnam.


Back to blithering...you barely make sense when you have no defense.

And 's going to be too crowded with you and your jihadi friends for me to go there. I'm on the right side of this argument. And, frankly, I don't care how you sleep at night. The definition of irony would be for you to be exiting a movie theater when some Iraqi-Afghani-Iranian-made jihadi detonates himself next to you or a loved one...particularly one that was released from Guantanamo Bay, Cuba.

For your sake, you'd better hope those you hate and work so hard to undermine can stop them.

No defense? I'm not the one who needs to steal other people's words and masquerade them as mine.. plagerism is not a defense..

[George Gervin's Afro]

Well, with the ineptness of most of their attempts, it's apparent they're the second string. I wonder where the starting team is? Oh yeah, rotting or hiding or in prison.

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Or your just guessing..

[George Gervin's Afro]

I proudly share the sentiment of the vast majority of a serving military. And, as such, I wear your idiotic criticism as a badge of honor.

You don't even know what hypocrisy is.

What I don't understand is why you just don't go to Iraq and show the insurgents that compassionate conservatism is the way to go Yoni.. by all means I'm sure we could get a collection to get you a one way ticket to Iraq.. put your money where your mouth is.. I enjoyed your post about Brits now burning the Koran.. you seem to take pleasure out of that ..yet you don't have the balls to do it yourself.. why? because you are a pussy

[Yonivore]

What I don't understand is why you just don't go to Iraq and show the insurgents that compassionate conservatism is the way to go Yoni..

How do you know I haven't been?

by all means I'm sure we could get a collection to get you a one way ticket to Iraq..

Go ahead...that's something I'd like to see.

put your money where your mouth is..

I thought you were going to put your money where my mouth is.

I enjoyed your post about Brits now burning the Koran.. you seem to take pleasure out of that..

I merely pointed out they were pissed off. Given the propensity of Muslims to use the slightest provocation (cartoons and Salman Rushdie's knighting) to start violence, I thought it was an indication of how, maybe, some brits had reached the end of their ropes. I don't recall my post stating pleasure, or for that matter, any emotion.

yet you don't have the balls to do it yourself.. why? because you are a pussy

Ridicule. The refuge of losers. Nice.

Can't argue with facts, ridicule the the other side of the debate.

[George Gervin's Afro]

How do you know I haven't been?


Go ahead...that's something I'd like to see.


I thought you were going to put your money where my mouth is.


I merely pointed out they were pissed off. Given the propensity of Muslims to use the slightest provocation (cartoons and Salman Rushdie's knighting) to start violence, I thought it was an indication of how, maybe, some brits had reached the end of their ropes. I don't recall my post stating pleasure, or for that matter, any emotion.


Ridicule. The refuge of losers. Nice.

Can't argue with facts, ridicule the the other side of the debate.

Maybe I'll go find a blog and use it as my own...

[PixelPusher]

How do you know I haven't been?

Oh, you're so coy...put your nuts on the table and let us know if you've served in Iraq. What's the matter? Is public service for your country a private affair?

[Yonivore]

Maybe I'll go find a blog and use it as my own...

It would probably serve you better than your own brain.

[George Gervin's Afro]

It would probably serve you better than your own brain.

I prefer my own thoughts than someone else's but hey that's just me.

[Yonivore]

I prefer my own thoughts than someone else's but hey that's just me.

And you think that's working out for you, do you?

So, you've been to Iraq? You've witnessed the things upon which you expound daily? You're inside the CIA, the White House, the Congress? The New York Times? You talked the Ahmadenijad? You were there when Hamdi was plucked off the battlefield? You're in all these places and witnessing all these things?

Because, if you rely soley on your own thoughts, don't you think they'd better be informed thoughts? Do you just make up? I mean, if you rely on your own thoughts and you're not an insider on all the things you hold an opinion about, you're just making up. Right?

But if, like the rest of us, you form opinions based on information gleened from sources you trust -- that, hopefully, have access to sources in the know, then the debate isn't so much about putting your own thoughts down here in this forum but about whether or not you want to take the time to completely re-write an opinion with which you already agree.

No?

To me, this forum is about arguing ideas and not about whether or not I want to take the time to read analysis, agree with it and, then, re-write it so I can claim ownership.

If you want to now whose words I'm plagiaring, google a sentence, it'll usually turn up. I've not denied the practice. I choose to post it as an original writing -- as opposed to linking and quoting (although I do link sources of factual information and news sources upon which the opinion is based) -- because of the Nbadan factor.

He's cut and pased and linked so many damn articles, nobody really pays attention anymore. I think the ideas expressed in the subject matter I post is germane to the argument.

So sue me. You're still an idiot.