I wonder when the left will...

[Yonivore]

...let us start fighting the war on terror like it needs to be fought.

Japanese Propaganda and American Mass Media

June 29, 2007: U.S. troops have been mystified at how differently the war they fight in Iraq is portrayed by the U.S. media back home. Most just shrug it off as "politics," and yet another reason to not trust what the mass media presents as reliable reporting. But recently, the troops have been passing around an interesting discovery. Namely, that the Japanese psychological warfare effort during World War II included radio broadcasts that could be picked up by American troops. Popular music was played, but the commentary (by one of several English speaking Japanese women) always hammered away on the same points;

1 Your President (Franklin D Roosevelt) is lying to you.

2 This war is illegal.

3 You cannot win the war.

The troops are perplexed and somewhat amused that their own media is now sending out this message. Fighting the enemy in Iraq is simple, compared to figuring out what news editors are thinking back home. A few times, the mass media has been bold, or foolish, enough to confront the troops about this divergence of perceptions. The result is usually a surreal exchange, with the troops giving the journalist a "what planet are YOU from" look. Naturally, this sort of thing doesn't get much exposure. When pressed, a journalist or editor will dismiss the opinions of the troops (of all ranks), because they are "too close" to see "the big picture." For the same reason, reporters who send back material agreeing with the troops, find their stuff twisted into an acceptable shape, or not used at all. Historians will have a good time with all this.

[Yonivore]

...of defeat on behalf of the Democrats; they're making up news.

The Multi-National Forces Iraq are now reporting after looking into the story that Confederate Yankee brought to their attention a couple of days ago when the reported massacre was first reported by the Associated Press:

June 30, 2007
Release A070630c

Extremists using false media reporting to incite sectarian violence

BAGHDAD, Iraq – Friday, news media reported a mass killing in a village near Salman Pak where 20 men were allegedly found beheaded. It now appears that the story was completely false and fabricated by unknown sources.

Upon learning of the press reports, coalition and Iraqi officials began investigating to determine if the reports were true. Ultimately it was concluded the reports were false.

Anti-Iraqi Forces are known for purposely providing false information to the media to incite violence and revenge killings, and they may well have been the source of this misinformation.

“Extremists promote falsehoods of mass killings, collateral damage and other violence specifically to turn Iraqis against other Iraqis,” said Rear Admiral Mark Fox, spokesperson for MNF-I. “Unfortunately, lies are much easier to state, the truth often takes time to prove,” said Fox.

Not all media reports can be immediately substantiated by Government of Iraq or Coalition Forces. They must go through a process to verify such claims, to include checking with various Iraqi Ministry’s, local police and security forces. Meanwhile, extremists have achieved their goal of spreading false information aimed at intimidating civilians and destabilizing Iraqi security.

Ultimately, media reporting based on verifiable sources will reduce the possibility of misinformation unnecessarily alarming citizens.

Using verifiable sources?... That's a little too much to expect from today's media, Sir.

This isn't the first time. Anybody remember Jamail Hussein and the stories of the burning mosques and immolated Iraqis? No? Google it. It too was made up and it too was carried heavily by the mainstream media.

Strategy Page nailed it today, in that article I linked to in my previous post, explaining how the current Anti-Bush, Anti-American, Anti-Iraq War mainstream media is reporting news as if they are an enemy of the United States.

And all you lefties on this forum are guilty of being duped by a media complicit with the enemy. I hope you sleep well. No, on second thought, I hope you rot in ...with your Islamo-fascist buddies you're so bent on defending.

Meanwhile... In what will probably not make many headlines- 26 Iranian Backed “Secret Cell” Operatives Killed, 17 Captured in Sadr City

[boutons_]

Pussy Eater,

Nobody's stopping the war on terror.

How exactly are the left, progressives, independents or ANYBODY impeding the war on terror?

No evidence? Of course not. Nothing by slanderous allegations from the same hole as your heroine Anne er.

HOWEVER,

conservative/neo- /criminal/oilco-sucker head and his neo- accomplices, plus their enabling stooge and puppet dubya, have profoundly subverted, and inflamed, the war on terror, to the huge, short/long-term detriment of the USA and other good guys.

Iraq is lost, and irretrievable, spiralling down towards a terrorist training facility (which it already is).

Afghanistan, was a much easier task, is still not stabilized nearly 6 years of half-assed trying and neglect by head.

Pakistan teeters on the brink of a coup by the ever-strengthening, relentlessly encroaching Taleban (see my "Back at the Taleban ranch" post).

[George Gervin's Afro]

Using verifiable sources?... That's a little too much to expect from today's media, Sir.


It's kind of funny to hear you run with a story but this one really takes the cake. Yoni and Ray are by far the biggest Iraq war s here on the forum and they defend Bush without hesitation on his evidence/rationale for starting the WMD-Liberation experiment gone bad. Now that we know almost every reason why Bush said we to invade Iraq as quick as we did is wrong or inaccurate theri is silence. BUt now we get lectures about the press not using verifible sources. So now to the dead enders starting a war is ok without verifiable sources but they hammer the evil press for doing the same thing..

[Yonivore]

Using verifiable sources?... That's a little too much to expect from today's media, Sir.


It's kind of funny to hear you run with a story but this one really takes the cake. Yoni and Ray are by far the biggest Iraq war s here on the forum and they defend Bush without hesitation on his evidence/rationale for starting the WMD-Liberation experiment gone bad. Now that we know almost every reason why Bush said we to invade Iraq as quick as we did is wrong or inaccurate theri is silence. BUt now we get lectures about the press not using verifible sources. So now to the dead enders starting a war is ok without verifiable sources but they hammer the evil press for doing the same thing..

You're blithering...make sense, will you?

[spurster]

Yes, let's go after OBL and the Taliban. Are they in Iraq and Iran?

[Yonivore]

Yes, let's go after OBL and the Taliban. Are they in Iraq and Iran?

Yes, as a matter of fact, they are. Well, OBL anyway.

[Yonivore]

9/11 Commission Finds Ties Between al-Qaeda and Iran

Iraqis Join U.S. in Fight on Al-Qaeda

Let me know if you have any more questions, spurster.

[Yonivore]

Now, it's my turn.

Why is the media, in this case the Associated Press, making up bad news and not reporting good news about the war in Iraq?

[Flight3107]

Now, it's my turn.

Why is the media, in this case the Associated Press, making up bad news and not reporting good news about the war in Iraq?

Because they are run by the far left, what did you expect them to do?

[Yonivore]

Because they are run by the far left, what did you expect them to do?

Okay, why is the left opposed to America winning the war against al Qaeda in Iraq? And, now, they're making noises about abandoning Afghanistan, the war they were for.

[George Gervin's Afro]

You're blithering...make sense, will you?

Ok I'll simplify it for you dummy..

curve ball and verifiable?..what do they have in common?

[George Gervin's Afro]

Okay, why is the left opposed to America winning the war against al Qaeda in Iraq? And, now, they're making noises about abandoning Afghanistan, the war they were for.

Now we're back to making opinon as fact again? WHo on the left Yoni?

[Yonivore]

Now we're back to making opinon as fact again? WHo on the left Yoni?

Apparently, everyone on the left.

From Pelosi on down to the biased media.

Why do Democratic congresspeople sound like Tokyo Rose? Why is the Associated Press making up stories about sectarian massacres?

[George Gervin's Afro]

Apparently, everyone on the left.

From Pelosi on down to the biased media.

Why do Democratic congresspeople sound like Tokyo Rose? Why is the Associated Press making up stories about sectarian massacres?

Maybe they got bad intel? You have already established that the President had to go war based on the intel he had at the time? Most of it came back to be dead wrong.. Isn't that what you have said? So I can assume to you it's ok for making justifications on bad intel for war..but not for a press story?.. Real consistent yoni.. you don't have double standards

[Yonivore]

London Mayor Ken Livingstone hearts Islamo-fascists. Oh yeah, he thinks everyone else is more violent than Muslims.

"In this city, Muslims are more likely to be law-abiding than non-Muslims and less likely to support the use of violence to achieve political ends than non-Muslims," he told BBC Radio.

He's a lefty, right?

[Yonivore]

Maybe they got bad intel? You have already established that the President had to go war based on the intel he had at the time? Most of it came back to be dead wrong.. Isn't that what you have said? So I can assume to you it's ok for making justifications on bad intel for war..but not for a press story?.. Real consistent yoin..

You're still blithering.

Are you saying that Pelosi wants to surrender in Iraq and Afghanistan because she's getting bad intel? From where? Oh yeah, Murtha and the Associated Press.

Well, at least you admit that.

[George Gervin's Afro]

London Mayor Ken Livingstone hearts Islamo-fascists. Oh yeah, he thinks everyone else is more violent than Muslims.



He's a lefty, right?

So his stating that that the majority of Muslims in the UK aren't terrorists is somehow inaccurate?

[George Gervin's Afro]

You're still blithering.

Are you saying that Pelosi wants to surrender in Iraq and Afghanistan because she's getting bad intel? From where? Oh yeah, Murtha and the Associated Press.

Well, at least you admit that.

No your saying Pelsio wants to surrender..
Well maybe you need to slow down and look at yor second post. The one where make the claim the left and the press don't want to win because a 'false' story was reported? I know I've caught you in yet another double standard that you carry around in your hip pocket. Does hte pres get the same pass the president did? bad informaton leads to bad decisions right?

[Yonivore]

So his stating that that the majority of Muslims in the UK aren't terrorists is somehow inaccurate?

Did you read the quote right?

He's said Muslims are more likely to be law-abiding than non-Muslims and less likely to support the use of violence to achieve political ends than non-Muslims.

He didn't say anything about the majority of Muslims not being terrorists.

But, on that, I've yet to see any "moderate" Muslims stand up and denounce the attempted terrorist bombings in London.

[Yonivore]

Well maybe you need to slow down and look at your original post. The one where make the claim the left and the press don't want to win because a 'false' story was reported? I know I've caught you in yet another double standard that you carry around in your hip pocket. Does hte pres get the same pass the president did? bad informaton leads to bad decisions right?

No, they don't get the same pass. The Press didn't have to respond to a terrorist attack on American soil and make a tough decision based on available intelligence in an effort to preserve national security.

They only have to report the news. The least they could do is make sure they're right before they start splashing it around.

[George Gervin's Afro]

Did you read the quote right?

He's said Muslims are more likely to be law-abiding than non-Muslims and less likely to support the use of violence to achieve political ends than non-Muslims.

He didn't say anything about the majority of Muslims not being terrorists.

But, on that, I've yet to see any "moderate" Muslims stand up and denounce the attempted terrorist bombings in London.

So what does this to do with him being on the left? I see your talent in taking statements out of context to fit our point is rearing it's disgusting head..

[Yonivore]

So what does this to do with him being on the left? I see your talent in taking statements out of context to fit our point is rearing it's disgusting head..

It fits the al Qaeda apologist mold, that's what it has to do with being on the left.

Okay, put his comment in context for me. Tell me how saying, Muslims are more likely than Non-Muslims to be violent and that Muslims are less likely than Non-Muslims to support the use of violence, can mean anything other than what I said, he believes Muslims are less violent than everyone else and less supportive of violence than everyone else.

I'll wait patiently for you to put this in context for me.

[George Gervin's Afro]

It fits the al Qaeda apologist mold, that's what it has to do with being on the left.

Okay, put his comment in context for me. Tell me how saying, Muslims are more likely than Non-Muslims to be violent and that Muslims are less likely than Non-Muslims to support the use of violence, can mean anything other than what I said, he believes Muslims are less violent than everyone else and less supportive of violence than everyone else.

I'll wait patiently for you to put this in context for me.

Yoni you take comments out of context all of the time..(see the coulter v edward thread) so I won't waste my time but I do want to mention something. I have become more familiar with your style of argument. What I find with your arguments is that they seem to change when it comes to whomever is involved. Take the latest example of how you hold the press to rigid and unbending standard of accuracy. Using the exact same logic when I replace the press with the president you change the logic. I have felt for a long time you were a hypocrite but I could never put my finger on it until recently. There are many other situations that you caveat your way through similar scenerios when it comes to dems and the right. I would have more respect for you if you were more consistent but I can't figure out if you are doing it consciously. I study the way people argue as oppsed to what they are saying.. if you look at this board you can identify patterns of the way people argue .. rather than go for tat with you on various threads I just like to point out your inconsistencies.. you don't even realize it.. but that's alright you assume that you are so much smarter than I am and I don 't mind that...

[Yonivore]

Yoni you take comments out of context all of the time..

So, please put the Livingstone comments in context

(see the coulter v edward thread)

That whole thread was about how people were taking Coulter's comments out of context. But, it wasn't me taking them out of context, I was putting them back in.

so I won't waste my time

Translation: I don't know what the I'm talking about.

but I do want to mention something. I have become more familiar with your style of argument. What I find with your arguments is that they seem to change when it comes to whomever is involved. Take the latest example of how you hold the press to rigid and unbending standard of accuracy.

Who said rigid and unbending. Would it have been that hard to verify the decapitation murders of 20 people?

Using the exact same logic when I replace the press with the president you change the logic.

I suggest you see the other thread I started about the conflict within the CIA leading up to the war. The president had every reason to believe Saddam the intelligence he received supported his decision.

But, I understand that you can't defend the left, the press, the Muslims, or the idiots on this board. So, please, go ahead and deflect blame.

I have felt for a long time you were a hypocrite but I could never put my finger on it until recently. There are many other situations that you caveat your way through similar scenerios when it comes to dems and the right. I would have more respect for you if you were more consistent but I can't figure out if you are doing it consciously. I study the way people argue as oppsed to what they are saying.. if you look at this board you can identify patterns of the way people argue .. rather than go for tat with you on various threads I just like to point out your inconsistencies.. you don't even realize it.. but that's alright you assume that you are so much smarter than I am and I don 't mind that...

I'll try to survive the sharp criticism.

You've yet to answer any of the questions asked in this thread. Instead, you've tried to make this about me.

So, why do Pelosi and gang want to surrender in Iraq? And, why does the press make up negative stories about the war?