Pre-Pre-Season Super Bowl Pics???

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They should walk through their division atleast

yeah im pretty sure the 9ers arent walking over anybody.

i think they will be battling at best with the Rams for second. i mean the Seahawks are much better than anyone in this division, lets make that clear. last year i know they only won by a slim margin but that was because of injuries to their best players. you are overlooking some of the moves they made as well with the 49ers busy offseason. the Seahawks got a two great pickups on defense Deon Grant and Patrick Kerney. i expect them to repeat easily.

[Loose Cannon]

Anyone?
NFC Championship game: Dallas over New Orleans
(lack of defense dooms Saints)

The lack of defense didn't seem to be an issue when the Saints beat the out of the Cowboys by 25 points last year.


I'm LMAO @ all of the "Cowboys over Saints" predictions. There is not one single shred of logic that would justify that prediction. The Saints are a far, far superior team to Dallas and will win the NFC going away as long as they don't have to go through Chicago in the middle of the winter again. I will be somewhat surprised if the Cowboys make the playoffs. They were exposed by Sean Payton and Drew Brees in the Superdome West.

[O-Factor]

The lack of defense didn't seem to be an issue when the Saints beat the out of the Cowboys by 25 points last year.


I'm LMAO @ all of the "Cowboys over Saints" predictions. There is not one single shred of logic that would justify that prediction. The Saints are a far, far superior team to Dallas and will win the NFC going away as long as they don't have to go through Chicago in the middle of the winter again. I will be somewhat surprised if the Cowboys make the playoffs. They were exposed by Sean Payton and Drew Brees in the Superdome West.

Sean Payton knew Cowboys like the back of his hand so it was not suprising to me that the Saints beat the Cowboys late last season. He knew every player's weakness, every play, and every scheme they ran. Not so this year with a new coaching staff and coach who really knows how to get to the QB. The Cowboys will be a top 3 Defense in the league, you can mark that down right now. Saints are kind of like Suns of the NBA, alot of offense, no defense = No le.

[Loose Cannon]

Sean Payton knew Cowboys like the back of his hand so it was not suprising to me that the Saints beat the Cowboys late last season. He knew every player's weakness, every play, and every scheme they ran. Not so this year with a new coaching staff and coach who really knows how to get to the QB.

The game was 42 to ing 17. Don't make excuses. The Saints were the far superior team. They dominated both lines of scrimmage. And the score should have been 42 or more to 10, if not for a fluke touchdown that should have been a pick if CB Fred Thomas didn't have a cast on his hand (it bounced out of his two hands and hit TO in the endzone). The Cowboys basically had two positive plays the entire game. One 80 yard run by Julius Jones, and the fluke Owens touchdown.

The Saints exposed the Cowboys and their secondary, which has not improved. Ken Hamlin sucks. He's basically Roy Williams version 2. Having one Roy Williams in the defensive backfield is bad enough, but having two = doom. And Romo came back down to Earth after his hot start, after teams got some film on him. Romo is the new Aaron Brooks... great for a few games as a replacement his first year, and all downhill once teams figure him out. Cowboys are an 8-8 team this year.

The Cowboys will be a top 3 Defense in the league, you can mark that down right now.

Hahahahaha. OK.

Saints are kind of like Suns of the NBA, alot of offense, no defense = No le.

2006 Total Team Defense:
Saints: 11th ranked, giving up 307.3 yards/game
Cowboys: 13th ranked, giving up 322.8 yards/game

Does not compute.

[samikeyp]

The game was 42 to ing 17. Don't make excuses.

I disagree that Payton knowing the Cowboys is an excuse. He did and he exploited it which is exactly what a good coach and a good team does. The Saints were the better team, not because of that but in addition to.

[O-Factor]

The game was 42 to ing 17. Don't make excuses. The Saints were the far superior team. They dominated both lines of scrimmage. And the score should have been 42 or more to 10, if not for a fluke touchdown that should have been a pick if CB Fred Thomas didn't have a cast on his hand (it bounced out of his two hands and hit TO in the endzone). The Cowboys basically had two positive plays the entire game. One 80 yard run by Julius Jones, and the fluke Owens touchdown.

The Saints exposed the Cowboys and their secondary, which has not improved. Ken Hamlin sucks. He's basically Roy Williams version 2. Having one Roy Williams in the defensive backfield is bad enough, but having two = doom. And Romo came back down to Earth after his hot start, after teams got some film on him. Romo is the new Aaron Brooks... great for a few games as a replacement his first year, and all downhill once teams figure him out. Cowboys are an 8-8 team this year.



Hahahahaha. OK.




2006 Total Team Defense:
Saints: 11th ranked, giving up 307.3 yards/game
Cowboys: 13th ranked, giving up 322.8 yards/game

Does not compute.

What excuses did I make, I merely stated facts. Romo is the next Arron Brooks? You are not to bright are you. You are one of those typical fans who when you hate a team, say that team is going to suck no matter what. You want to call an entire 2008 season by the Cowboys based on one horrible game they had against a team who's head coach knew every in and out of that team? A guy who tutored Romo since he came in the league? In case you haven't noticed the whole coaching staff has gotten turned over so the Saints won't have an edge there anymore. Yes the Cowboys defense faltered towards the end of the season.... LAST YEAR. Parcells brand of football has always been conservative, but time has passed him by. With our new coaching staff we are going to be more agressive on both sides of the ball, getting after the QB and going to T.O and Glenn down the field. Go ahead and be prepared to be sorely dissapointed in you prediction, or "guess". Dude, you may watch football, but you don't know football.

[Loose Cannon]

What excuses did I make, I merely stated facts. Romo is the next Arron Brooks? You are not to bright are you. You are one of those typical fans who when you hate a team, say that team is going to suck no matter what. You want to call an entire 2008 season by the Cowboys based on one horrible game they had against a team who's head coach knew every in and out of that team? A guy who tutored Romo since he came in the league? In case you haven't noticed the whole coaching staff has gotten turned over so the Saints won't have an edge there anymore. Yes the Cowboys defense faltered towards the end of the season.... LAST YEAR. Parcells brand of football has always been conservative, but time has passed him by. With our new coaching staff we are going to be more agressive on both sides of the ball, getting after the QB and going to T.O and Glenn down the field. Go ahead and be prepared to be sorely dissapointed in you prediction, or "guess". Dude, you may watch football, but you don't know football.

Rofl. You're expecting a Wade Phillips led coaching staff with an unproven offensive coordinator to be an improvement? Haha.

BTW, Romo's QB rating in December was 77.1, which would put him somewhere between Eli Manning and Jon Kitna last year. AKA mediocre.

Nice little catch line.. "you may watch football, but you don't know football". But I can sleep soundly knowing that I'm not hoping on Wade ing Phillips to turn my team around.

[spursreport]

You obviously are just too full of . I'm not saying they are unbeatable, but saying they are overrated by everyone, despite being the same core that won 3 les in 4 years, with FAR more talent than any of those years, is ing dumb. oh, and if Manning has OWNED the Pats, why do they need the Pats to be full of injuries, and have to win 2 games in the last minute? I hardly consider that OWNING.

Oh, then changing the subject 3 times in the last couple sentences in order to make it look like your post is remotely intelligent, is classic "spursreport" posting. Stick to the subject, numnuts.

Then I guess we will have to agree to disagree. Colts or Chargers are my picks to win the AFC. Pats will be in the mix of things but they have to prove on the field that they are that same team that won 3 les in 4 years which they havent done since their win against the Eagles in the superbowl. Paper moves dont convince me that those Patriots are back to being that team again. If the Pats end up getting past one or both of these 2 teams, I will give them their props. Until then, they will have to convince me otherwise. It is like when the Lakers made those moves in the summer of 03 and everybody was blowing them only to get humiliated in the finals. Like you said in the thread that I bumped which you still are obviously pissed about, it is just my opinion.

[StylisticS]

Saying Payton knowing the Cowboys like the back of his hand is not an excuse. He seriously in did. He knew Parcells game plan, his knew his strategies, he knows how conservative he is on both sides of the ball. That's not an excuse, that's being real. And Payton made a great game plan to expose it. And while Phillips may be our coach and I know his track record, I think if they play the Saints now with new philosophies and new schemes in play, the final score won't be 42-17.

BTW, Romo's QB rating in December was 77.1, which would put him somewhere between Eli Manning and Jon Kitna last year. AKA mediocre.

Romo was the reason we got to the playoffs. Romo was also the reason why we had a chance to win that damn playoff game against Seattle. The game shouldn't have came down to that field goal if it wasn't for our in conservative play calling and our inep ude on defense. Our DEFENSE simply fell apart at the end of the season. We gave up to many big plays, and did not execute whatsoever. Part of that goes back to Parcells and his old style ways. It's not Romo's fault that he gets a touchdown than the defense gives up a touchdown right back in the next possession. He always had to lead the team to a comeback thus having a better chance to have that 77.1 rating with him throwing the ball all the time. He had a mediocre running game to get pressure off of him while he was at it.

The Cowboys is by far more talented than the Saints on Defense. Period. However, Parcells did not use that talent to his advantage. He wanted to win like he did in the late 80s. That was not going to happen. Phillips (which I'm not a huge fan of btw) will use the talent to his advantage because like him or not, he's a DAMN good defensive coach who puts his players in positions to make plays. While Demarcus was great, we still was one of the worse teams in sacks last year. Yes, our secondary did get better because our front four got better because our scheme got better. Pat Watkins is a player I would keep an eye on as he grows in the NFL. I assume that our defense was in the top 5 before the month of December so to with those stats.

Our offense is powerful. We were one of the top offenses in the league last season and this is with a mediocre running game and a passing game that had receivers simply drop to many balls. Now the offense will be much more aggressive. We will use TO in a much different manner than he did last year. Julius Jones does not have to worry about Parcells being on his back with the way he runs the football. Julius had the vision to cut back, and used his speed effectively in the open field in his rookie year. However, Parcells changed his style and what he was excelled at and you simply don't do that to a running back and thus, he's had 3 straight mediocre seasons.

Unless alot of people get injured. We are going to be better than 8-8. We have the talent to go 11-5 and to win our 17th NFC East crown. And if we do, Phillips is only here for one year because we will be getting Fisher for 2008 anyway.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

The only move I question about the Cowboys's offseason is making Jason Garrett our offensive coordinator. I think we could've done better, and I think Garrett got bonus points for getting the job just because of his playing experience with the Cowboys.

[StylisticS]

and lol@ superdome west. Let's not talk about Texas Stadium East since everytime we play in New Orleans, we have a huge crowd at the games. That was the first time New Orleans fans had that many in Dallas because the Katrina Evacuees were already there.

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There is not one single shred of logic that would justify that prediction.

there was not a single shred of logic that would justify anyone predicting the Saints being as good as they were

Superdome West.

we will expose their defense in Texas Stadium East

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I'm not hoping on Wade ing Phillips to turn my team around.

the team already got turned around

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Romo was also the reason why we had a chance to win that damn playoff game against Seattle.

i actually disagree. i watched the replay yesterday as im sure you did too, cause you seem to remember what happened in the game, and Romo missed A LOT of wide open throws. they broke it down since it was a replay and they showed deep passes through the middle that Romo couldve hit against the weak injured Seattle secondary. i personally think Bledsoe, yes, Bledsoe wouldve been better in that playoff game due to his experience but it was still the right move to play Romo. he has to learn sometime

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Then I guess we will have to agree to disagree. Colts or Chargers are my picks to win the AFC. Pats will be in the mix of things but they have to prove on the field that they are that same team that won 3 les in 4 years which they havent done since their win against the Eagles in the superbowl. Paper moves dont convince me that those Patriots are back to being that team again. If the Pats end up getting past one or both of these 2 teams, I will give them their props. Until then, they will have to convince me otherwise. It is like when the Lakers made those moves in the summer of 03 and everybody was blowing them only to get humiliated in the finals. Like you said in the thread that I bumped which you still are obviously pissed about, it is just my opinion.

congrats on your first remotely intelligent post in spurstalk history. keep it up.

[J.T.]

All of you hating on Peyton and the Colts would bricks for a month if he was traded to your team. Colts have a good shot at winning the AFC again. They lost Dominic Rhodes, but watched Joe Addai become a star in the playoffs. I will never forget his winning TD in the AFC Championship where he runs into the endzone standing up, thanks to a sick block by my man Jeff Saturday. IMO their biggest lost was Cato June at linebacker, but the Colts have lost playmakers almost every year and have still been in contention.

That said the Colts probably have one of the toughest schedules in the NFL this year, so we'll see how they do. I'd say they're a virtual lock to win the AFC South again, but I'll be keeping an eye on the ans. Sucks that VY went to a team in the same division as my favorite team.

I see the Saints coming out of the NFC this year. Dallas would have probably made it to the NFC Championship if they didn't get Romo'd. I hate the Cowboys with a passion and I loved seeing Romo come back down to earth in that moment, but I think he'll get over it and they'll have a better run at it this year. Don't see them beating the Saints though.

In the AFC, the top 3 as of now in my opinion:

(1) Patriots

Hate to admit this because they are my team's main threats and rivals, but they got a of a lot better in this offseason. Thomas will make their D better and they improved significantly on offense by adding Moss and Stallworth after losing Branch and Givens last year. The only question mark is whether Moss will become a locker room cancer or not. If he does, they're probably ed, but I see the Patriots as the Spurs of the NFL. If they bring in someone who will disrupt their chemistry and their system, I'm sure Belichick or Brady will stuff Moss into his locker and waive his ass mid-season. It's a high risk, high reward scenario, but it looks to me right now that Moss will work out for them. This scares the out of me as a Colts fan, but I think Indy has gotten over the psychological aspect of playing New England. No more looking across the field and thinking "Not again."

(2) Colts

Won the Super Bowl, but lost several players. Key loss was Dominic Rhodes, who made huge plays in the Divisional playoffs against Baltimore, and the Super Bowl. Waived a couple of good players who didn't play much or at all last year because of injury. Lost both starting cornerbacks Jason David and Nick Harper. LB Cato June went to Tampa. Normally you'd see all of these losses and think they'd be ed, but this is the Colts. Also, look back at the playoffs and think to who made all the big plays. Marlin Jackson picks Tom Brady to punch Indy's ticket to XLI. Bob Sanders comes back for the playoffs and suddenly the worst defense in the NFL is winning a Super Bowl and shutting down marquee backs like Larry Johnson. Antoine Bethea picks Steve McNair in the red zone, a pass that would have been a certain touchdown. I don't think I'll ever forget Kelvin Hayden's pick of Grossman he returned for a TD in the Super Bowl, while almost stepping out of bounds but having the smarts to know where he was on the field and keep himself in bounds. All of these guys are young, Sanders being the one with the most NFL experience going into his 4th season now. They're all still here. Let's not forget Matt Giordiano catching up to Devin Hester on the opening play of the Super Bowl. Hester got the TD, but it was Giordiano who caught up to him and made sure he didn't get that TD standing up. The man is fast, and I'd expect to see him starting at cornerback this season or very soon.

Point is that they lost some guys, but all of the guys that made the big plays when they counted are still here. Plus the offense is going to get better with Anthony Gonzalez. He'll work out great as a slot receiver. Harrison, Wayne, Clark, Fletcher, Moorehead, and now Gonzalez. I'm sure Peyton creamed his shorts when the Colts told him they were picking Gonzalez in the first round. Well, unless he was filming another Sprint commercial.

(3) Chargers

As much as I hate Sanity, I will give his team credit. By all accounts the AFC le game should have been Chargers and Colts, but SD choked in the 4th quarter. However, Tom Brady does testify that of his long list of playoff victories, that was his toughest. That says a lot coming from a man with 3 rings. They could get to the le game this year or win the conference. In the NFL, it's not always about having the best record in the league, it's about playing well at the right time. So anything can happen.

le game predictions:
AFC Colts over Pats. We'll play it in Foxborough this time just to give me a week of anxiety about the Colts never winning a playoff game there, only to come out and get one step closer to the repeat.

NFC Saints over Cowboys. After the Saints dismantled Dallas in the regular season last year, I think Sean Payton has their number. We'll see.

Super Bowl XLII Colts over Saints. It'll be a close one. I prefer a winning FG by Adam Vinatieri, but the one thing I would have liked to see in XLI was a TD pass from Peyton to Marvin Harrison. A game-winning one would be even sweeter.

[StylisticS]

i actually disagree. i watched the replay yesterday as im sure you did too, cause you seem to remember what happened in the game, and Romo missed A LOT of wide open throws. they broke it down since it was a replay and they showed deep passes through the middle that Romo couldve hit against the weak injured Seattle secondary. i personally think Bledsoe, yes, Bledsoe wouldve been better in that playoff game due to his experience but it was still the right move to play Romo. he has to learn sometime

That is true. He didn't take advantage of many of the opportunities against the depleted secondary. I said that on the zone back in January. But I will not blame him for losing that game though. He completed tough throws to Witten to get us into field goal range or even steps from the end zone. that field goal. If made, we still would have lost because our defense is that bad in last minute situations.

[StylisticS]

NFC Saints over Cowboys. After the Saints dismantled Dallas in the regular season last year, I think Sean Payton has their number. We'll see.

He's beaten us only once. How the does he have our number? And just because you perform well one season, does not mean you will do so the next. This is the new NFL. If this was the pre-salary cap era, I would agree. But not in today's NFL. I lost count on how many first year coaches for a team have good years, than fall flat on their asses the next. New Orleans is not guaranteed to be the team they was last year. Example : 2003 Tampa Bay with Gruden, 2003 Dallas Cowboy will Parcells, etc. etc. etc.

[J.T.]

This is the new NFL. If this was the pre-salary cap era, I would agree. But not in today's NFL. I lost count on how many first year coaches for a team have good years, than fall flat on their asses the next. New Orleans is not guaranteed to be the team they was last year. Example : 2003 Tampa Bay with Gruden, 2003 Dallas Cowboy will Parcells, etc. etc. etc.

You have a great point with this, but I just think the Saints will fare better than past examples. Plus none of those teams had Reggie Bush, and if Brees has even close to the kind of year he had last year, the Saints will still be near the top of the NFC, if not at the top.

The Saints were successful in the NFC, but their record was 10-6. 10-6 in the AFC might get you a wild card spot. I don't see the NFC winning Super Bowls any time soon.

Man, all this talk about football has me amped for the new season. I got too caught up in the NBA playoffs and forgot how much I love this sport.

[spursreport]

congrats on your first remotely intelligent post in spurstalk history. keep it up.

Wait no "shut the up you ing idiot"? Or being call "numbnuts" or a " ing idiot"? I really hope that is sarcasim because if I actually concluded a thread in a positive way I am going to be very surprised.

[shelshor]

Patriots over Colts
Seahawks over Saints

Seahawks over Patriots

[mardigan]

That is true. He didn't take advantage of many of the opportunities against the depleted secondary. I said that on the zone back in January. But I will not blame him for losing that game though. He completed tough throws to Witten to get us into field goal range or even steps from the end zone. that field goal. If made, we still would have lost because our defense is that bad in last minute situations.

I've watched that game multiple times as well, and I really think the playcalling, not Romo missing reads downfield was the reason they didnt take advantage of the Hawks secondary. Everything about Parcells playcalling pissed me off last year, so Im glad we got some new coaches in their to hopefully make a difference.

And Wade will be a fine head coach

[BeerIsGood!]

I've watched that game multiple times as well, and I really think the playcalling, not Romo missing reads downfield was the reason they didnt take advantage of the Hawks secondary. Everything about Parcells playcalling pissed me off last year, so Im glad we got some new coaches in their to hopefully make a difference.

And Wade will be a fine head coach

Who's calling plays now? Garrett? Hopefully he's better - I expect he will be.

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Wait no "shut the up you ing idiot"? Or being call "numbnuts" or a " ing idiot"? I really hope that is sarcasim because if I actually concluded a thread in a positive way I am going to be very surprised.

numnuts, shut the up you ing idiot.

[spursreport]

numnuts, shut the up you ing idiot.

There we go! BTW just to let you know I lied about the real reason why I HATE the Patriots! All those moves they made piss me off because they were all great signings. In others words I am jealous that a team I dont like all that much has the most talented team in the Brady era. I hate them because they are so ing successful and as long as Brady is at the helm, they will never be out of a game despite all their injuries. They know how to win consistently! Tom Brady having Randy Moss and Stallworth to throw to along with their defense getting even stronger and having a God of a coach like Bilicheck. These moves make their team so disgusting that it is hard to see them fail. Yeah I said it, the Patriots have a GREAT chance to win it all. Hate aside and just a true honest answer, I feel they are winning it all.