Kerry lied, people died.

[boutons_]

"at the rate al Qaeda was flowing into the country"

what EXACTLY was that rate? in more perfect intel to back it up?

"al Qaeda was fleeing Afghanistan to Iraq."

hmm, some people thought they were and have fled into the Paki FATAs.

"If he didn't have them"

He didn't and he wasn't a threat to the USA or anybody else, with the US flyovers and US occuping countries right next door.

The Feb 2003 situation wasn't perfect, but sometimes you have to settle for less than perfection (less than perfect has worked just fine in Iran and NK), esp when the alternative has, so far, wasted 3700 US military lives, and $1T, with NO increase in US security, and while US-abandoned Aghanistan and Pakistan come apart and with Iran emboldened by dubya's failure in Iraq. What we have now is just "perfect" dubya handiwork, infiinitely better than Feb 2003.

[Darth Celtic]

Read all the United Nations Security Council Resolutions issued between 1991 and 1998, related to Saddam's interference with Hans Blix's gang and tell me that Hans Blix could be certain there were no weapons.

Also, I've never seen Hans Blix explain why he would claim such when he had identified stocks of chemical weapons that were in Iraq when he was forced to leave and that Saddam Hussein never accounted for.


No, David Kay didn't say that. He said there was no evidence. But, again, he wasn't granted unlimited access by Saddam either.


Guess what, Clinton had plans to invade Iraq as soon as the Liberation of Iraq Act was passed in 1998.


No, I'm still not convinced there were no WMDs. Neither are any of the people you listed -- except maybe for Hans Blix (and that's baffling considering all the WMDs he witnessed that were left in Iraq after 1998).


He was a government bureaucrat.

Agreed.

[Wild Cobra]

One thing I find ironic is what the weapons inspectors said, and how the left twists their words. Now without looking up exact quotes, it has been in essence:

"We do not expect to find any weapons of mass destruction."

They don't mean they don't exist. When you place those words with the context of the obstruction they reported, it more likely means that they will never be allowed to find any eveidence of the weapons!

The media seldom reported what the inspectors believed they would find is they had unrestriced and unhindered access. They did report they believed that Saddam had them!

[clambake]

Just like "We do not expect to find a Unicorn or the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow or Jack's beanstalk."

I guess you could say they exist, if you're clinging to fantasy.

[boutons_]

The weapons inspectors didn't find any, the UNOBSTRUCTED US military didn't find any.

In the context of hyped and cherry-picked intelligence bullied by the WHIG over all dissenters, in the context of head's repeated and fully discredited lies about Saddam/AQ and Saddam/WTC, it's easy to assume that Saddam's WMD simply didn't exist. There was no hard intel saying they were there, and they were NEVER found.

If the WMD were sneaked out to Syria, why hasn't Syria sneaked them out to terrorists or others? If they are in Syria, why hasn't dubya ever threatened or put pressure on Syria about hoarding Saddam's WMD?

Why haven't these WMD surfaced in terrorists attacks the past 6 years?

With the ease that the Iraqi insurgents have in importing conventional weapons under the noses of the US military, why haven't these WMD been brought back it to you against the US in Iraq?

The absolute URGENCY of starting the invasion in March was very obviously a Repug/Rove presidential campgain imperative, NOT arising from any urgent situation in Iraq. This was confirmed by the political campaign theater of fake flyboy, military-service-evader dubya claiming Mission Accomplished and end of combat operations on an aircraft carrier in May 03.

Playing games with Saddam and inspectors indefinitely was infiintely preferable to the Repug disaster we now have in Iraq, esp since the US already had its hands full in Afghanistan (which, 6 years later, now has more US troops than ever).

Even if Saddam had some WMD, how was he a threat to the USA, compared to all the other threats the USA was facing?

Starting a war is not a faith-based exercise.

Since ALL the reasons for invading Iraq have proven to be bull , and the highest priority for the Repugs, even for Bremer in 2003, was for Iraqi to get the oil agreeements done, it clear that the Iraq invasion was a Repug/PNAC/neo- /AEI grab for oil. They knew the invasion,with Saddam's military destroyed in the first Gulf War, would be the cakewalk it turned out to be, just like the first Gulf War, with Saddam's military at its peak, was over in an eye-blink. It was Repug election ploy and grab for oil. WMD was nothing but dishonest smoke and mirrors.

[Wild Cobra]

Just like "We do not expect to find a Unicorn or the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow or Jack's beanstalk."

I guess you could say they exist, if you're clinging to fantasy.

Comparing apples to oranges now?