Kerry lied, people died.

[Yonivore]

Breitbart TV has video of Democratic Senator John Kerry of Massachusetts telling a whopper on C-Span.

Sen. John Kerry said during a C-Span appearance that fears of a bloodbath after the US withdrawal from Vietnam never materialized. He says he’s met survivors of the “reeducation camps” who are thriving in modern Vietnam. An award-winning investigation by the Orange County Register concludes that at least 165,000 people perished in the camps.

And 2 million in Cambodia.

You know, education, if you make the most of it, if you study hard and you do your homework, and you make an effort to be smart, uh, you, you can do well. If you don’t, you get stuck in the Senate.

[boutons_]

Where has Kerry lied the C-Span above? That he claims some people survived the camps doesn't say nobody died in the camps.

Nobody knows what's going to happen in Iraq after the US leaves.

The Sunnis and Shiites are slaughtering themselves now with the US there, and they will slaughter themselves after the US leaves. Their civil war will fight itself to exhaustion, later if the US stays, sooner if the US leaves.

dubya can't stop them, and the US owes Iraq nothing that the US can actually pay back.

Maybe the US can throw 100s of $Bs as war reparations at whatever emerges after Iraq breaks up. For the US, money is the only value, it solves everything. My bet is dubya's breaking of Iraq will cause more Iraqi dead than Saddam. dubya has already wasted more US lives in Iraq the OBL murdered at WTC.


dubya and head's war unleashed the Iraq civil that caused has caused 100s of 1000s of Iraqi dead, with much more to come. But you dubya suckers will never hold dubya accountable for anything.

[fyatuk]

Actually, Kerry lied about a lot of things that were well do ented during his Presidential run relating to Vietnam. Not that his decisions were responsible for mass deaths or anything, but him faultily and supposedly knowingly declaring there were no POWs left in Vietnam led to some of those POWs that were still there dying in captivity.

An insanely stupid comparison to make though.

[FromWayDowntown]

Well, it's a good thing that the current administration can't be accused of doing the same thing.

[Yonivore]

Well, it's a good thing that the current administration can't be accused of doing the same thing.

Yes, it is.

[SA210]

Yes, it is.

Hey Yawny, so when are you going to enlist?

[FromWayDowntown]

Yes, it is.

Yeah -- I guess Colin Powell's speech to the UN was mostly a series of honest misconstructions of hard evidence.

[Yonivore]

Yeah -- I guess Colin Powell's speech to the UN was mostly a series of honest misconstructions of hard evidence.

A preponderance of the evidence, yeah.

[Oh, Gee!!]

so "more likely than not" is the standard we should strive for when we make the decision to commit thousands of lives and billions of dollars? cool.

[clambake]

Deliberately misleading is nowhere close to "more likely than not".

[xrayzebra]

Hey Yawny, so when are you going to enlist?

Right after you join the Peace Corp and go to Dafur.

[Dreamshake]

Right after you join the Peace Corp and go to Dafur.

Thats almost a good analogy.

When one stance means deaths of hundreds of thousands of Iraqi's, and the deaths of what 4 thousand service members.

Is it always the weak, no cons ution having people that want other people to fight their wars for them?

[Yonivore]

so "more likely than not" is the standard we should strive for when we make the decision to commit thousands of lives and billions of dollars? cool.

Okay, for the ‘ s in here, let’s review:

• August 2, 1990 – Iraq illegally invades Kuwait and disrupts the peace and security of a vital region of the world.

• August 2, 1990 – The United Nations Security Council passes Resolution UNSCR 660 basically telling Iraq they’ve done a bad, bad thing and should immediately leave Kuwait, making sure they restore things to the way they were before they invaded. Saddam Hussein says, “ you!”

• August 6, 1990 – The United Nations Security Council passes Resolution UNSCR 661 that notices Iraq said “ you!,” and asks member and non-member States of the UN to stop doing business with Iraq and to encourage Iraq to obey UNSCR 660

• August 9, 1990 – The United Nations Security Council passes Resolution UNSCR 662 stating how “gravely” alarmed they are that Iraq has said “ you!”

• August 18 – November 28, 1990 – The United Nations Security Council passes UJNSCR’s 664, 665, 666, 667, 669, 670, 674, and 677 (there were others that were tangentially related but, this are the ones specifically addressing the Iraq invasion of Kuwait) all pretty much repeating what the others had said, “Iraq, you did a bad thing and you need to leave Kuwait alone.” Saddam Hussein, again, said, “ you!”

• November 29, 1990 – The United Nations Security Council passes Resolution #UNSCR 678 basically telling Iraq they done wrong and to get out of Kuwait, leaving things they way they found them. This one is a bit different because it also said that if Saddam Hussein didn’t do what 678 demanded, member and non-member States had the United Nation’s support if they wanted to force Iraq to comply. Surprisingly (okay, not so much), Saddam once again said, “ you!”

• January 16, 1991 – The United States of America and a coalition of countries assembled through the diplomatic efforts of President George Herbert Walker Bush say, “No, you!,” and proceeds to kick Saddam’s ass out of Kuwait and back up the “Highway of Death” to Baghdad.

• February 28, 1991 – After losing the majority of his elite Republican Guard on the “Highway of Death,” from B-52’s carpet bombing their positions night and day, and due to mass surrenders (who remembers those guys surrendering to the media?), Saddam Hussein cries, “Uncle!”

• March 2, 1991 – The United Nations Security Council passes UNSCR 678 that fundamentally spells out what Saddam and Iraq must do in order for the U.S. and it’s allies to quit kicking his ass. Saddam says he will, “just don’t hurt me anymore.” Well, there are three things in UNSCR 678 that Saddam never did; 1) he agreed to release all prisoners taken during the Gulf War and to this day there are Kuwaitis and some coalition forces for which he never accounted, 2) he agreed to return all Kuwaiti property seized in the invasion and that never happened, and 3) he agreed to accept liability for the damages caused by his invasion of Kuwait. They never saw a dime from him.

• April 3, 1991 – The United Nations Security Council passes UNSCR 687 which ordered Iraq to dismantle and destroy it weapons of mass destruction and all programs. It also required Iraq to completely declare all such weapons to UNSCOM. He never did. Iraq was also prohibited, by this resolution, from supporting or committing terrorist acts and from allowing terrorist organizations to operate in Iraq.

• April 5, 1991 – The United Nations Security Council passes UNSCR 688 condemning Saddam’s temper-trantrum response to getting his ass kicked through the repression of the Kurds in the North and Shi’ites in the South. The UN told him to stop killing them and creating refugees. Well, Saddam stopped when he got damn good and ready. The resolution also demanded he allow humanitarian aid to be allowed into the areas where he was busy digging mass graves. He refused.

• August 15, 1991 – The United Nations Security Council passes UNSCR 707 condemning Iraq’s violations of previous UNSCRs and his refusal to cooperate with IAEA and UNSCOM. It laid out a bunch of things Iraq must do in compliance with the UNSCRs related to disclosure and dismantling of his WMDs and programs. Again, Saddam said, “ you!”

• October 11, 1991 – The United Nations Security Council passed yet another resolution (UNSCR 715) telling Iraq to cooperate with IAEA inspectors. Again, Saddam said, “ you!” and then he threatens to invade Kuwait again – moving troops toward the Kuwaiti border.

• October 15, 1991 – The United Nations Security Council passes UNSCR 949 telling Saddam to back off.

• 1992-1993 – In what has been described as one of the most horrific environmental crimes in the history of the world, Saddam Hussein decides to drain the marsh lands of Souther Iraq to punish the Shi’ites who had lived there for centuries.

• April, 1993 – Saddam Hussein attempted to assassinate former President George H. W. Bush with a car bomb in Kuwait.

• In 1995 his son-in-law, General Hussein Kamil Hasan al-Majid and his brother and their families fled from Iraq to Jordan. Hussein invited them back to Iraq, promising them forgiveness and a pardon. They returned on February 20 and were killed on February 23. Four months later, Hussein's regime arrested military officers that it suspected of plotting a coup. Approximately 400 were executed, supervised by Uday Hussein. In August, Saddam Hussein launched an offensive into the northern no-fly zone, to the city of Ibril, where they rounded up and executed 96 members of a group opposed to Hussein. The U.S. retaliated by attacking southern Iraq with cruise missiles and by expanding the no-fly zone one degree southward, from the 32nd to the 33rd parallel.

• In 1996 the World Health Organization published a report claiming that between the years 1990 and 1994 the number of deaths of children under the age of five in the provinces governed by the Hussein regime had jumped nearly 500 percent - from 8,903 in 1990 to 52,905. Protests against the sanctions increased, and on May 20, 1996, Hussein accepted the U.N.'s oil-for-food offer. The Hussein regime began exporting oil under the oil-for-food program in December 1996. Of course, children continued to suffer because, according to the Duelfer Report, Saddam skimmed from the OFF program for other than humanitarian purposes. The regime saw the program as an opportunity to rescue "Baghdad's economy from a terminal decline created by the sanctions." The regime gave various people interested in profit vouchers that allowed them to buy oil at a low price and sell it to others. In return for this favor he received cash payments - kickbacks - which, according to the BBC amounted to billions of dollars. Elements in France, Russia, Germany, and the United Nations Secretary General’s office have been implicated in this scheme leading many to wonder if this is the source of those countries’ obstinacy when 2003 rolled around.

• March 27, 1996 – The United Nations Security Council passes UNSCR 1051 telling Iraq they must report the import of dual use technologies and that they must cooperate with inspectors. Saddam laughs.

• June 12, 1996 – The United Nations Security Council passes UNSCR 1060 deploring Saddam’s refusal to cooperate with IAEA inspectors. Saddam gets s ches in his side from laughing so hard.

• June 21, 1996 – The United Nations Security Council passes UNSCR 1115 whining about Saddam’s refusal to cooperate with IAEA inspectors. Saddam flicks a booger at the UN.

• October 23, 1997 – The United Nations Security Council passes UNSCR 1134 pleading with Saddam to cooperate with IAEA inspectors. Saddam is not moved.

• November 12, 1997 – The United Nations Security Council passes UNSCR 1137 with some more whining about Saddam Hussein’s refusal to cooperate and threats he made to aircraft occupied by IAEA inspectors. Saddam belches.

• March 2, 1998 – The United Nations Security Council passes UNSCR 1154 demanding Saddam cooperate with IAEA inspectors. Saddam yawns and then suspends cooperation (as if he ever was) forcing IAEA to abandon their efforts and leave Iraq under not-so-veiled threats.

• September 9, 1998 – The United Nations Security Council passes UNSCR 1194 condemning Iraq’s ceasing of non-cooperative cooperation with IAEA and demanding they be let back in to continue their work. Saddam’s response? That’s right, “ you!”

• October 5, 1998 – The United States Congress pass the Iraqi Liberation Act with the stated purpose of removing Saddam Hussein from power and replacing his regime with a democratic government. The vote was 360 to 38. President Clinton signed it into law on October 31, the same day that Hussein expelled all U.N. weapons inspectors.

• November 5, 1998 – The United Nations Security Council passes UNSCR 1205 condemning Iraq’s flagrant violations of previous UNSCRs. Saddam says, “So what?”

• December 17, 1999 – The United Nations Security Council passes UNSCR 1284 changing the name of UNSCOM to UNMOVIC and tries to sneak them back into Iraq, telling Saddam their terrorist recruits bound for Salman Pak. (okay, I made that up). But, the resolution demands Saddam let them in and continue inspections. Saddam says no.

• November 8, 2002 – The United Nations Security Council passes USNCR 1441 that demands Iraq disarm and declare all their WMDs. The UN is pretty much ignored at this point.

Yeah, there was absolutely no justification for invading Iraq.

Never mind that several global terrorists had already found safe haven in Baghdad, including Abu Nidal and the Abu Abbas organization. Never mind that there were numerous contacts between Saddam’s Iraq and al Qaeda during the 90’s. Never mind Salman Pak. Never mind his payments to “Palestinian” terrorists. Never mind that al Qaeda terrorists, led by Zarqawi, fled Afghanistan to Iraq after our invasion there.

Never mind that there were tons TONS of known stockpiles of chemical weapons that existed in Iraq when inspectors were forced out in 1998 for which Saddam Hussein never accounted.

Never mind that absolutely every diplomat or former leader of the free world stated a belief that Saddam Hussein and Iraq possessed, with the intent to use, Weapons of Mass Destruction. Name one significant world leader, prior to March 2003, that came out and said there were no WMDs in Iraq. One.

No, absolutely no justification. You, sir, are a ing idiot.

[Oh, Gee!!]

Man, you devote entirely too much time and energy responding to my sentence-long posts. I'd hate to see you mad.

[Dreamshake]

All that and I can sum it up much better for you. Ill start with three names.

Hans Blix
David Kay
Richard Clarke

Then Ill add.

Still no WMDs found in Iraq. Oh wait, we changed the mission to one of Humanitarianism. Oh wait over 600K Iraqi's have died since Bushs war.

I can add a Cheney's Halliburton into the Iraqi equation.

Maybe sprinkle a little Pat Tillman propaganda.

Bake it with some forged Yellow Cake Do ents.

Then top it off with some Illegal Eavesdropping, and torture prisons, and outing of undercover agents.

Yep, all that to say. Ooops, no WMDs. Now look what we got.

[clambake]

Name one significant world leader, prior to March 2003, that came out and said there were no WMDs in Iraq. One.

The world is full of dumb-ass leaders, with ours leading the parade. How much time did these "world leaders" spend in Iraq?

They should have sent in some weapons inspectors to see what they could find.

[clambake]

sorry bout that Dreamshake.

[Dreamshake]

The world is full of dumb-ass leaders, with ours leading the parade. How much time did these "world leaders" spend in Iraq?

They should have sent in some weapons inspectors to see what they could find.

Ill name you one person who did after the fact. GW. He sent in Kay, and didnt like too much what Kay had to offer up.

[Yonivore]

Man, you devote entirely too much time and energy responding to my sentence-long posts. I'd hate to see you mad.

Another non-response.

[clambake]

Ill name you one person who did after the fact. GW. He sent in Kay, and didnt like too much what Kay had to offer up.

I think W is changing tactics. You have to know that Petreaus has already been told how his report will read.

[Yonivore]

All that and I can sum it up much better for you. Ill start with three names.

Hans Blix
David Kay
Richard Clarke

Then Ill add.

Still no WMDs found in Iraq. Oh wait, we changed the mission to one of Humanitarianism. Oh wait over 600K Iraqi's have died since Bushs war.

I can add a Cheney's Halliburton into the Iraqi equation.

Maybe sprinkle a little Pat Tillman propaganda.

Bake it with some forged Yellow Cake Do ents.

Then top it off with some Illegal Eavesdropping, and torture prisons, and outing of undercover agents.

Yep, all that to say. Ooops, no WMDs. Now look what we got.

Wow! You just about covered every conspiracy theory out there. Great job!

None of the three you listed were world leaders and, apparently, their declarations did not sway the majority of those who were in the business of making decisions related to Iraq.

In fact, it was due to Hans Blix's whining that most of those UNSCRs were passed.

[clambake]

I'm overly certain AND dead wrong

[Oh, Gee!!]

Another non-response.

My "more likely than not" statement was in response to your "preponderance" statement because, like, that's what preponderance means. I'm not the one that brought up that word, you did. I'm sorry I made that off-the-cuff remark. I hope you spending the entire morning crafting a response makes you feel better about yourself, the war on terrorism, George Bush, and whatever else you're into.

[Dreamshake]

Wow, you call it conspiracy yet Blix stated no wmd's and heres the nut, There are no WMD's. LOL.

David Kay said, no WMDs and still there are no WMDs

Richard Clarke said Bush had plans to invade Iraq as soon as he took office and sure enough, he manufactured enough bull to Invade Iraq.

Can you grasp it yet. Will it sink in? NO WMD's. Thats what we went to war over, THATs what Bush and Rummy stated over and over. Well that and a Al Q, Iraq connection. OOOPS not correct either.

Hans Blix wasnt a world leader? LOL. Dude your too easy.

[Yonivore]

My "more likely than not" statement was in response to your "preponderance" statement because, like, that's what preponderance means. I'm not the one that brought up that word, you did. I'm sorry I made that off-the-cuff remark. I hope you spending the entire morning crafting a response makes you feel better about yourself, the war on terrorism, George Bush, and whatever else you're into.

I already feel the war was justified so, it's not a matter of feeling better. Besides, three googles and some formatting and that post was done in about 20 minutes.

So, care to tell me why, in March 2003, President Bush would have had any reason to believe Saddam Hussein wasn't harboring terrorists, wasn't in possession of weapons of mass destruction, and wasn't posturing to join our enemies?