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    I never really followed the Darfur incident.
    No .

    Yet you can post authoritatively that it was all Clinton's fault though it happened two years after he left office.

    And review said post after being shown it was in error and claim nothing was wrong.

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    Ha Ha... So I made a mistake.

    Glad I could amuse you all. Bask in your glory, I don't make very many like that.

    I never really followed the Darfur incident. I heard horrors about it and other places, but didn't take time for it as we have not really been involved these last several years. Time for me to brush up on geography.
    This year the government paid me $20,000 not to farm antennas.

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    For someone who loves to call people lemmings that follow propaganda and don't do the "real research"..... wow

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    I never really followed the Darfur incident. I heard horrors about it and other places, but didn't take time for it as we have not really been involved these last several years.
    You mean you didn't hear about any of the good things? It's people like you that will cause it's defeat.

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    Wild Cobra has further lowered the expectations of neocon discourse in this forum.

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    Now that was ing hilarious. Have you seen that dumbass picture he posted? He's certainly proud of that place. How many rolls of tin foil does it take to get reception on one of those farms?
    Whatever. Hold a roll of tin foil anywhere near one of the antennas when the transmitter is keys, you might feel it! Hold a flourescent tube too close to one, it'll light up! Near? Too close? Never tried it, but probably within the width of a football field.

    Notice that I used a huge RLP? (rotatable log periodic) You don't find those very many places, and the rest of the antenna types just don't show up on google resolution satellte. The best I found of another antenna was the shadow it cast from the 105 ft. tower.

    Make all the fun you want. It just really shows your ignorance to the subject matter. I enjoy the laugh.

    FYI, from United States Antenna Products, LLC:

    AS-3515/GRC
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    3.0 - 30.0 MHz 25 kW CW/50 kW PEP The Model 5000 antenna system consists of one Model LP-1005 antenna array, one Model T-3002 100 foot (30.48 meters) dual tower and rotating mast assembly, and a Model R-3503 rotator.

    1005-CA
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    3.0 - 30.0 MHz 25 kW CW/50 kW PEP 19 element rotatable log periodic. The Model LP-1005-CA is the only log periodic of its kind, with unprecedented transmit capability over the full 3 through 30 MHz bandwidth and a 2 through 30 MHz receive capability. Previously this could only be achieved with a large rhombic or wire log antennas requiring several acres for installation.

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    Wild Cobra has further lowered the expectations of neocon discourse in this forum.
    Oh, well we still have your brilliance to carry us through the
    day. You know like all the name calling. And so original
    on top of that.

    And on top of that people like you, Pelosi, Reed, Kennedy
    and Kerry have more blood on your hands from the aid
    and comfort you give to the enemy than George Bush
    will ever have. AQ even quotes our most wonderful
    Dimm-o-craps in their little web broadcast.

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    The Repug political operatves in Iraq still have "lofty" goals? Goals of lofty profits of US/UK oilcos?

    Going back to one of dubya's bumper-sticker-deep slogans, Iraq ain't standing up.
    Iraq is supine and very probably will never be united again.

    How many more $Ts and 10s of 1000s of US casualties before dubya will stand down?

    No matter how successful is the surge, Iraq is broken and divided in dozens of ways.

    It's so transparent what the WH is doing. Screw around militarily until 20 Jan 2009 and keep saying "we are winning", then start swift-boating the next administration for losing Iraq.

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    Wild Cobra has further lowered the expectations of neocon discourse in this forum.
    Haven't you noticed I don't use the term neocon regularly, or agree with neocon policies?

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    Haven't you noticed I don't use the term neocon regularly, or agree with neocon policies?
    You agree on the one that counts.

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    This year the government paid me $20,000 not to farm antennas.
    Really? They paid me $28,315.98 in 1992!


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    Oh, well we still have your brilliance to carry us through the
    day. You know like all the name calling. And so original on top of that.
    Kettle.

    And on top of that people like you, Pelosi, Reed, Kennedy
    and Kerry have more blood on your hands from the aid
    and comfort you give to the enemy than George Bush
    will ever have. AQ even quotes our most wonderful
    Dimm-o-craps in their little web broadcast.
    Wake me when they quote SpursTalk, m'kay?

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    And yes, x, yours is exactly the type of bull demagoguery (look it up) that our time and geographically challenged, non-neocon neocon tried to pull earlier -- and yes, it deserves a good name-calling.

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    And on top of that people like you, Pelosi, Reed, Kennedy
    and Kerry have more blood on your hands from the aid
    and comfort you give to the enemy than George Bush
    will ever have. AQ even quotes our most wonderful
    Dimm-o-craps in their little web broadcast.
    How true. I just wish these traitors would be brought to justice.

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    So you're saying Bush is incompetent in his prosecution of traitors.

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    The funniest thing is, none of you are serious about this traitor talk. Not enough to do anything about it.

    Just like the Bush administration didn't take Iraq seriously enough to send enough troops to secure the country or even plan for anything but the rosiest post-invasion scenario.

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    The funniest thing is, none of you are serious about this traitor talk. Not enough to do anything about it.
    I take that viewpoint serious. I just know it wouldn't do any good to try to prosecute such a thing.

    Just like the Bush administration didn't take Iraq seriously enough to send enough troops to secure the country or even plan for anything but the rosiest post-invasion scenario.
    To a point, I agree with that. There are several problems with increasing the tropp levels to such a degree. It would be really hard to make happen with the defeatist at udes flying around now, especially since the democrats control the spending authorizations now.

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    I take that viewpoint serious.
    You don't at all. You're full of . It's just one of the buzzwords people like to throw around to put opponents on the defensive and avoid real discussion.
    To a point, I agree with that. There are several problems with increasing the tropp levels to such a degree.
    The time to increase troop levels was 2001-2003.
    It would be really hard to make happen with the defeatist at udes flying around now, especially since the democrats control the spending authorizations now.
    Sorry, the Republican president signed off on a stupid war plan that cut the initial troop level by almost two-thirds.

    His fault.

    And considering he was selling it as the war to ensure the very preservation of the USA, not serious.

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    You don't at all. You're full of .
    Wow, you aren't stupid enough that you think you know my thought process better than I, are you?

    It's just one of the buzzwords people like to throw around to put opponents on the defensive and avoid real discussion.
    No, it has been well discussed in circles how their defeatest at ude is emboldening the enemy. Do you deny that happens?

    The time to increase troop levels was 2001-2003.Sorry, the Republican president signed off on a stupid war plan that cut the initial troop level by almost two-thirds.

    His fault.
    With hindsight being 20/20, I will agree with that assessment. How accurate is your crystal ball? Mine doesn't work as well as I would like it to.

    And considering he was selling it as the war to ensure the very preservation of the USA, not serious.
    Yes, with a series of vialble possiblilities. Funny how he used intelligence gathered during the Clinton administaration and everyone want to blame him for it. How many democrats voted for the war authorization? This was a team effort. Don't stop you blame at president Bush. What about yesterday's new 19 page report blaming the intelligence communities, especially under George Tenant, for 9/11? Shows just how reliable the intelligence was. Maybe we shouldn't have gone in. Still, now that we are there, we have a job to finish rather than tucking tail.

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    Wow, you aren't stupid enough that you think you know my thought process better than I, are you?
    I know you are full of . It's not rocket science.


    No, it has been well discussed in circles how their defeatest at ude is emboldening the enemy. Do you deny that happens?
    I don't think they needed any emboldening, truly. And I think this war and the mistakes made in it did more to embolden the enemy and create more enemies than freaking Nancy Pelosi ever could.


    With hindsight being 20/20, I will agree with that assessment. How accurate is your crystal ball? Mine doesn't work as well as I would like it to.
    It was pretty damn accurate, since I said it wasn't enough all along. You dumbasses should've listened to Shinseki when you had the chance. It's not like Op Plan 1003 was a complete secret back in 2001 when Rumsfeld decided to gut it to showcase his pet theory.


    Yes, with a series of vialble possiblilities. Funny how he used intelligence gathered during the Clinton administaration and everyone want to blame him for it.
    You are trying to blame Clinton for forcing Bush to invade Iraq.

    How many democrats voted for the war authorization? This was a team effort.
    No . The Democrats were cowards and congress shirked their responsibilities.

    Don't stop you blame at president Bush.
    He bears the most responsibility. He is the president. The buck stops with him.

    What about yesterday's new 19 page report blaming the intelligence communities, especially under George Tenant, for 9/11?
    Didn't matter what Tenet did or said after Rumsfeld formed his own intel apparatus under Doug Feith that told him whatever he wanted to hear.

    Shows just how reliable the intelligence was.
    And how poor Bush's judgment was.

    Maybe we shouldn't have gone in. Still, now that we are there, we have a job to finish rather than tucking tail.
    Nope. We're on our way out no matter what. The 2008 election will be won by whoever has the most attractive exit strategy.

    If we were really serious about transforming, our actions should have reflected it.

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    Bush is the 21st century Clinton, no doubt.

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    I wasn't calling you a lefty, but expanding on my agreement with you.
    Ok, thanks for clarifying. I was interpreting it in a different way.

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    As far as the emboldening the enemy... well it could be giving them pleasure to see Americans disagreeing with each other, but that is nothing unique to this time. I'm sure our enemies were having laughing fits when we were focusing our national time, money and energy to get to the truth if our president received a BJ and lied about it. I'm sure the Republicans who are so up in arms over the dems who oppose the current war won't be undermining or speaking out against Hillary should she (*shudder*) win the presidency. We don't live in the type of society that everyone will agree or keep quiet. Its not our way, (and especially not our politicians' way).
    But by not being fully prepared for the war and thus running it very ineptly for years, the administration doesn't get to just tell everyone to believe them or else they are aiding the enemy. It is your every right to express that opinion, but our leaders need to be more responsible with their words.

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    As far as the emboldening the enemy... well it could be giving them pleasure to see Americans disagreeing with each other, but that is nothing unique to this time.
    It does. My understanding is they show video clips of Pelosi, Murtha, and the likes on their web sites. Great propaganda coming from the mouths of US government personnel. Treasonous if you ask me.

    I'm sure our enemies were having laughing fits when we were focusing our national time, money and energy to get to the truth if our president received a BJ and lied about it.
    Maybe, I didn't follow the personal aspect of that era. Keep in mind that the situation started with a rightful lawsuit.

    I'm sure the Republicans who are so up in arms over the dems who oppose the current war won't be undermining or speaking out against Hillary should she (*shudder*) win the presidency.
    They probably will. I seriously doubt they will do it in a manner that aids and comforts the enemy, or demoralizes the troops.

    We don't live in the type of society that everyone will agree or keep quiet. Its not our way, (and especially not our politicians' way).
    Very true. What about nominal time, place, manner considerations? The vocal democrats are demoralizing our troops. This is not acceptable. Period.

    But by not being fully prepared for the war and thus running it very ineptly for years, the administration doesn't get to just tell everyone to believe them or else they are aiding the enemy. It is your every right to express that opinion, but our leaders need to be more responsible with their words.
    I don't know about inept. Things could and should have been done differently. Of the various viewpoints, president Bush picked a plan. I don't expect perfection in anyone. I do expect honesty and integrity. I see far more of that from the right than I do the left. Responsibility (lack of) is what infuriates me about the democrats. They only seem to care about their party first, screw the troops morale.

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