Judging a pitcher by winning % is a stupid old fashioned criteria used by stupid old-fashioned people. It's bull ideas like this that keeps one of the greatest pitchers of all time (and former Rangers great) Bert Blyleven from the HOF.
Now, onto the smack. The Rangers have a better ML team, better minor league system, better owner, better record, plays in a better league and oh yean, we got that little thing we call "the boot."
Rangers>>>>>Asstros.
Rangers have won 10 of their last twelve and five in a row. It gets tough now on road for something like 18 of the last games, especially with a doubleheader against Detroit looming. If the Astros are going to get back in this bet, the time is now. Six behind in win column, seven in loss column does not bode well ...
Oh yeah, and Rangers are now in THIRD PLACE in the AL West.
I know, I know, not a big deal and its actually a tie with Oakland but , it's very significant after ty start. They are playing great baseball with scrubs like Jerry Hairston Jr and Ramon Vazquez in the lineup. Gotta love the momentum going into next year.
Who exactly would be on an All-Time Astros team? There are so few players in Astros history who really have phenomenal offensive numbers, so there are some defensive-minded guys who have to be in that lineup. Here's my stab at it:
C -- Alan Ashby
1B -- Jeff Bagwell
2B -- Craig Biggio
3B -- Ken Caminiti
SS -- ie Thon
LF -- Jose Cruz
CF -- Cesar Cedeno
RF -- Lance Berkman
BN -- Jim Wynn
BN -- Moises Alou
BN -- Craig Reynolds/Roger Metzger
BN -- Glenn Davis
BN -- Brad Ausmus
BN -- Joe Morgan
The historically pedestrian numbers of the Astros greatest lineup suggests strongly to me that the major difference between the Astros and the Rangers has always been the Astros strong pitching and defense. That might explain why the Astros have substantially more historical success than the Rangers do. In any event, the Astros pitching staff is much easier to put together:
SP -- J.R. Richard
SP -- Mike Scott
SP -- Joe Niekro
SP -- Larry Dierker
SP -- Roy Oswalt
RP -- Billy Wagner
RP -- Dave Smith
RP -- Joe Sambito
RP -- Octavio Dotel
RP -- Larry Andersen
or something like that. Certainly not a team with bigger names than the Rangers' team; but perhaps a team with more game than the Rangers' team -- and certainly much longer resumes when it comes to team successes.
Is that Ken Caminiti with or without the 'roids?
Depends. Do the Rangers get Gonzalez, Palmeiro, and Pudge with the 'roids (allegedly)?
Better take a look at what Bagwell's got in his Weaties box while we're at it.
I know Nolie wasn't a 'Stro for an extended number of years but for me I'd have to include him.
And poor ie Thon....we'll never know how good he would have been over the course of a 10-15 year career but those first two years in Houston were no fluke. Dude could flat out play.
That still makes it 2 Astros to 3 Rangers.
that's great. i'm gonna go ahead and cast a shadow of doubt on Biggio, Berkman, and Alou while I'm at it.
Now it's 5 Astros and 3 Rangers. Rangers are less roided up now. Sweet.
I don't have a dog in the fight -- I'm more trying to push the conversation with my posts; but for the record, monoslyab1k has already claimed Ryan for the Rangers and says that a player can only be on one side or the other. It's probably okay for the Astros, since there are a number of good starting pitchers to pull from in Astros' history.
Agreed. Never really the same after Mike Torrez.
wait....there are people taking this thread seriously?
True.
Let's see...David Clyde or Nolan Ryan
Chan Ho or....
although I liked Charlie Hough.
Well, now that he is in the Astros' farm system, maybe he will get called up next season and then the Astros can claim him on their all-time team.
btw, FromWayDowntown -- did you ever go see your Orioles? I think you had said you had the chance to or something. I hope they won if you did.
I didn't actually get to go. We had discussed making a trip with my aunt and some cousins to go see the game and were playing it by ear until we got there, since my uncle is a tax advisor to Peter Angelos and tickets to Orioles games are, therefore, relatively easy to come by. In the end, too many were too tired to make the trip (about a 70 minute drive from where we were) and it was a school night, so we didn't go.
In any event, I missed O's and Devil Rays, though so it wasn't like I missed a great deal; and, per usual, the Orioles lost.
Damn, that's too bad you didn't get to go. Even if your team loses, baseball is still fun, especially in person. You shoulda gone and seen the Suns instead! I think they were actually playing the Orioles' farm team around that time, if memory serves. I am going to another Missions game manana, can't beat MiLB ticket prices, especially for playoff games.
I am kinda cheering for the Orioles at this point, cus I have Nick Markakis on my fantasy team, lol. I had Guthrie but waived him today because it looks like he is out for the season. Might be rough from here on out for your birds, but hope springs eternal in March
I probably should have gone, but there's an odd family aversion to going to Suns games these days and I've never really asked about it because there are (strangely) a lot of other things to do when I'm in Hagerstown.
Sounds like a great time -- I love minor league baseball and don't go enough to be quite frank about it. I should go tomorrow night. . . . .
Good luck with that.I am kinda cheering for the Orioles at this point, cus I have Nick Markakis on my fantasy team, lol. I had Guthrie but waived him today because it looks like he is out for the season. Might be rough from here on out for your birds, but hope springs eternal in March
I recently bought DVD's of the 1979 World Series just to have some meaningful games involving the O's to watch -- of course, they broke my heart back then too (who loses a 3 games to 1 lead in a World Series with home field advantage? The 1979 Orioles, for one!!!).
I have been to Baltimore a few times when I used to live in Virginia, but never Hagerstown.
There are still great seats left, the lower level box seats are only $10.50 with taxes and fees. It is also Game 1 of the Texas League Championship Series, they finished the sweep of Frisco on Friday when I went, was a great time. Some really great players, including Chase Headley, who one of the organizations I work for ranked no. 19 in all of the minors recently.
Not sure where we are sitting cus I have to wait and see if my brother is going with us or his friends before we buy but I am gonna try and get near the bullpen. My nephews both have a foul ball now, and they want autographs.
I started a thread about this last week and not a single replyGuess nobody else likes minor league baseball
I'm not sure that anyone just happens upon Hagerstown. It's about 70 miles west of Baltimore and sits in an Appalaichian valley. It's right in the skinniest part of Maryland -- Interstate 81 runs through Hagerstown, but from the time you enter Maryland from West Virginia and the time you enter Pennsylvania from Maryland, you cover about 11 miles of land.
It's a really nice place to me, and I love going there to see family, but it's sort of like someone visiting Texas and going to San Angelo.
Tourism is up a bit of late because Prime outlets built an outlet mall that isn't quite as big as the complex in San Marcos and now bargain shoppers flock to Hagerstown to take advantage. It's also a good place for Civil War buffs to go, since it's about a 10 minute drive from Sharpsburg (site of the Antietam battlefield) and no more than an hour to sites like Harper's Ferry and Gettysburg. Still, it's not exactly flush with touristy sorts of things to do.
I wasn't here last week -- I might have responded otherwise. In any event, I'm not sure that work obligations will allow me to go, but if I decide that I can go, I'll post something to advise that I'm going so that you can steer clear!!There are still great seats left, the lower level box seats are only $10.50 with taxes and fees. It is also Game 1 of the Texas League Championship Series, they finished the sweep of Frisco on Friday when I went, was a great time. Some really great players, including Chase Headley, who one of the organizations I work for ranked no. 19 in all of the minors recently.
Not sure where we are sitting cus I have to wait and see if my brother is going with us or his friends before we buy but I am gonna try and get near the bullpen. My nephews both have a foul ball now, and they want autographs.
I started a thread about this last week and not a single reply
That will forever trip me out about the east coast, how you can drive from one state to the next in minutes. I once had a date with a guy who lived in Delaware, he drove to Jersey to pick me up, and we went out on our date -- in Philadelphia!Took less than an hour driving each way. Unbelievable.
The only outlets I remember are the Potomac Prime or something, and that was in VA, since that's where the Potomac is
Well I don't know what you look like, so easy to steer clear. But if you look anything like your avatar, I would have steered clear anyways.
Not bad, mine would be.
OF Jeff Burroughs
OF Rusty Greer
OF Juan Gonzalez
SS Alex Rodriguez
DH Rafael Palmiero
1B Mark Teixeira
3B Buddy Bell
C Pudge Rodriguez
2B Ian Kinsler
SP Fergie Jenkins
SP Nolan Ryan
SP Bert Blyleven
SP Charlie Hough
SP Kevin Brown
RP Jeff Zimmerman
RP Francisco Cordero
RP Akinori Otsuka
RP John Wettland
CL Jim Kern
alou probably only took supplements so pissing on his hands would be more effective.
Are you the FirebatM3 who posts at Lone Star Ball?
Yep a Rangers/Spurs fan.
Cool, I had no idea there was another Spurs fans there. Sometimes I feel lost amidst names like "the dirkatron" and anything with a variation of the number 41 in it.
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