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    Judging a pitcher by winning % is a stupid old fashioned criteria used by stupid old-fashioned people. It's bull ideas like this that keeps one of the greatest pitchers of all time (and former Rangers great) Bert Blyleven from the HOF.

    Now, onto the smack. The Rangers have a better ML team, better minor league system, better owner, better record, plays in a better league and oh yean, we got that little thing we call "the boot."

    Rangers>>>>>Asstros.

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    Rangers have won 10 of their last twelve and five in a row. It gets tough now on road for something like 18 of the last games, especially with a doubleheader against Detroit looming. If the Astros are going to get back in this bet, the time is now. Six behind in win column, seven in loss column does not bode well ...


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    Oh yeah, and Rangers are now in THIRD PLACE in the AL West.

    I know, I know, not a big deal and its actually a tie with Oakland but , it's very significant after ty start. They are playing great baseball with scrubs like Jerry Hairston Jr and Ramon Vazquez in the lineup. Gotta love the momentum going into next year.

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    Who exactly would be on an All-Time Astros team? There are so few players in Astros history who really have phenomenal offensive numbers, so there are some defensive-minded guys who have to be in that lineup. Here's my stab at it:

    C -- Alan Ashby
    1B -- Jeff Bagwell
    2B -- Craig Biggio
    3B -- Ken Caminiti
    SS -- ie Thon
    LF -- Jose Cruz
    CF -- Cesar Cedeno
    RF -- Lance Berkman
    BN -- Jim Wynn
    BN -- Moises Alou
    BN -- Craig Reynolds/Roger Metzger
    BN -- Glenn Davis
    BN -- Brad Ausmus
    BN -- Joe Morgan

    The historically pedestrian numbers of the Astros greatest lineup suggests strongly to me that the major difference between the Astros and the Rangers has always been the Astros strong pitching and defense. That might explain why the Astros have substantially more historical success than the Rangers do. In any event, the Astros pitching staff is much easier to put together:

    SP -- J.R. Richard
    SP -- Mike Scott
    SP -- Joe Niekro
    SP -- Larry Dierker
    SP -- Roy Oswalt
    RP -- Billy Wagner
    RP -- Dave Smith
    RP -- Joe Sambito
    RP -- Octavio Dotel
    RP -- Larry Andersen

    or something like that. Certainly not a team with bigger names than the Rangers' team; but perhaps a team with more game than the Rangers' team -- and certainly much longer resumes when it comes to team successes.

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    Is that Ken Caminiti with or without the 'roids?

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    Is that Ken Caminiti with or without the 'roids?
    Depends. Do the Rangers get Gonzalez, Palmeiro, and Pudge with the 'roids (allegedly)?

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    Depends. Do the Rangers get Gonzalez, Palmeiro, and Pudge with the 'roids (allegedly)?
    Better take a look at what Bagwell's got in his Weaties box while we're at it.

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    Who exactly would be on an All-Time Astros team?

    I know Nolie wasn't a 'Stro for an extended number of years but for me I'd have to include him.

    And poor ie Thon....we'll never know how good he would have been over the course of a 10-15 year career but those first two years in Houston were no fluke. Dude could flat out play.

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    Better take a look at what Bagwell's got in his Weaties box while we're at it.
    That still makes it 2 Astros to 3 Rangers.

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    That still makes it 2 Astros to 3 Rangers.
    that's great. i'm gonna go ahead and cast a shadow of doubt on Biggio, Berkman, and Alou while I'm at it.

    Now it's 5 Astros and 3 Rangers. Rangers are less roided up now. Sweet.

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    I know Nolie wasn't a 'Stro for an extended number of years but for me I'd have to include him.
    I don't have a dog in the fight -- I'm more trying to push the conversation with my posts; but for the record, monoslyab1k has already claimed Ryan for the Rangers and says that a player can only be on one side or the other. It's probably okay for the Astros, since there are a number of good starting pitchers to pull from in Astros' history.

    And poor ie Thon....we'll never know how good he would have been over the course of a 10-15 year career but those first two years in Houston were no fluke. Dude could flat out play.
    Agreed. Never really the same after Mike Torrez.

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    wait....there are people taking this thread seriously?

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    ...monoslyab1k has already claimed Ryan for the Rangers and says that a player can only be on one side or the other. It's probably okay for the Astros, since there are a number of good starting pitchers to pull from in Astros' history.

    True.

    Let's see...David Clyde or Nolan Ryan

    Chan Ho or....


    although I liked Charlie Hough.

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    Well, now that he is in the Astros' farm system, maybe he will get called up next season and then the Astros can claim him on their all-time team.

    btw, FromWayDowntown -- did you ever go see your Orioles? I think you had said you had the chance to or something. I hope they won if you did.

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    btw, FromWayDowntown -- did you ever go see your Orioles? I think you had said you had the chance to or something. I hope they won if you did.
    I didn't actually get to go. We had discussed making a trip with my aunt and some cousins to go see the game and were playing it by ear until we got there, since my uncle is a tax advisor to Peter Angelos and tickets to Orioles games are, therefore, relatively easy to come by. In the end, too many were too tired to make the trip (about a 70 minute drive from where we were) and it was a school night, so we didn't go.

    In any event, I missed O's and Devil Rays, though so it wasn't like I missed a great deal; and, per usual, the Orioles lost.

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    Damn, that's too bad you didn't get to go. Even if your team loses, baseball is still fun, especially in person. You shoulda gone and seen the Suns instead! I think they were actually playing the Orioles' farm team around that time, if memory serves. I am going to another Missions game manana, can't beat MiLB ticket prices, especially for playoff games.

    I am kinda cheering for the Orioles at this point, cus I have Nick Markakis on my fantasy team, lol. I had Guthrie but waived him today because it looks like he is out for the season. Might be rough from here on out for your birds, but hope springs eternal in March

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    Damn, that's too bad you didn't get to go. Even if your team loses, baseball is still fun, especially in person. You shoulda gone and seen the Suns instead! I think they were actually playing the Orioles' farm team around that time, if memory serves.
    I probably should have gone, but there's an odd family aversion to going to Suns games these days and I've never really asked about it because there are (strangely) a lot of other things to do when I'm in Hagerstown.

    I am going to another Missions game manana, can't beat MiLB ticket prices, especially for playoff games.
    Sounds like a great time -- I love minor league baseball and don't go enough to be quite frank about it. I should go tomorrow night. . . . .

    I am kinda cheering for the Orioles at this point, cus I have Nick Markakis on my fantasy team, lol. I had Guthrie but waived him today because it looks like he is out for the season. Might be rough from here on out for your birds, but hope springs eternal in March
    Good luck with that.

    I recently bought DVD's of the 1979 World Series just to have some meaningful games involving the O's to watch -- of course, they broke my heart back then too (who loses a 3 games to 1 lead in a World Series with home field advantage? The 1979 Orioles, for one!!!).

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    I probably should have gone, but there's an odd family aversion to going to Suns games these days and I've never really asked about it because there are (strangely) a lot of other things to do when I'm in Hagerstown.
    I have been to Baltimore a few times when I used to live in Virginia, but never Hagerstown.



    Sounds like a great time -- I love minor league baseball and don't go enough to be quite frank about it. I should go tomorrow night. . . . .
    There are still great seats left, the lower level box seats are only $10.50 with taxes and fees. It is also Game 1 of the Texas League Championship Series, they finished the sweep of Frisco on Friday when I went, was a great time. Some really great players, including Chase Headley, who one of the organizations I work for ranked no. 19 in all of the minors recently.

    Not sure where we are sitting cus I have to wait and see if my brother is going with us or his friends before we buy but I am gonna try and get near the bullpen. My nephews both have a foul ball now, and they want autographs.

    I started a thread about this last week and not a single reply Guess nobody else likes minor league baseball

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    I have been to Baltimore a few times when I used to live in Virginia, but never Hagerstown.
    I'm not sure that anyone just happens upon Hagerstown. It's about 70 miles west of Baltimore and sits in an Appalaichian valley. It's right in the skinniest part of Maryland -- Interstate 81 runs through Hagerstown, but from the time you enter Maryland from West Virginia and the time you enter Pennsylvania from Maryland, you cover about 11 miles of land.

    It's a really nice place to me, and I love going there to see family, but it's sort of like someone visiting Texas and going to San Angelo.

    Tourism is up a bit of late because Prime outlets built an outlet mall that isn't quite as big as the complex in San Marcos and now bargain shoppers flock to Hagerstown to take advantage. It's also a good place for Civil War buffs to go, since it's about a 10 minute drive from Sharpsburg (site of the Antietam battlefield) and no more than an hour to sites like Harper's Ferry and Gettysburg. Still, it's not exactly flush with touristy sorts of things to do.

    There are still great seats left, the lower level box seats are only $10.50 with taxes and fees. It is also Game 1 of the Texas League Championship Series, they finished the sweep of Frisco on Friday when I went, was a great time. Some really great players, including Chase Headley, who one of the organizations I work for ranked no. 19 in all of the minors recently.

    Not sure where we are sitting cus I have to wait and see if my brother is going with us or his friends before we buy but I am gonna try and get near the bullpen. My nephews both have a foul ball now, and they want autographs.

    I started a thread about this last week and not a single reply Guess nobody else likes minor league baseball
    I wasn't here last week -- I might have responded otherwise. In any event, I'm not sure that work obligations will allow me to go, but if I decide that I can go, I'll post something to advise that I'm going so that you can steer clear!!

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    I'm not sure that anyone just happens upon Hagerstown. It's about 70 miles west of Baltimore and sits in an Appalaichian valley. It's right in the skinniest part of Maryland -- Interstate 81 runs through Hagerstown, but from the time you enter Maryland from West Virginia and the time you enter Pennsylvania from Maryland, you cover about 11 miles of land.
    That will forever trip me out about the east coast, how you can drive from one state to the next in minutes. I once had a date with a guy who lived in Delaware, he drove to Jersey to pick me up, and we went out on our date -- in Philadelphia! Took less than an hour driving each way. Unbelievable.


    Tourism is up a bit of late because Prime outlets built an outlet mall that isn't quite as big as the complex in San Marcos and now bargain shoppers flock to Hagerstown to take advantage. It's also a good place for Civil War buffs to go, since it's about a 10 minute drive from Sharpsburg (site of the Antietam battlefield) and no more than an hour to sites like Harper's Ferry and Gettysburg. Still, it's not exactly flush with touristy sorts of things to do.
    The only outlets I remember are the Potomac Prime or something, and that was in VA, since that's where the Potomac is . I lived about 20 minutes from Williamsburg at one point (in Newport News) so the history thing in DC/MD/NoVA does nothing for me really, which I suppose is why I never really explored that option.



    I wasn't here last week -- I might have responded otherwise. In any event, I'm not sure that work obligations will allow me to go, but if I decide that I can go, I'll post something to advise that I'm going so that you can steer clear!!
    Well I don't know what you look like, so easy to steer clear. But if you look anything like your avatar, I would have steered clear anyways.

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    Let's settle this once and for all.....a battle between the All-Time Rangers team vs. All-Time ASStros team. Best player at each position, and we'll see who's better.

    This is for the Golden Silver Boot!

    Here's what I think the Texas Team would be -

    C - Pudge Rodriguez
    1B - Mark Teixeira
    2B - Michael Young
    SS - Alex Rodriguez
    3B - Buddy Bell
    LF - Juan Gonzalez
    CF - Rusty Greer
    RF - Ruben Sierra
    DH - Rafael Palmeiro

    SP - Nolan Ryan
    SU - Otsuka
    CL - John Wetteland

    BEAT THAT you stupid ASStrolls fans! HA HA!
    Not bad, mine would be.

    OF Jeff Burroughs
    OF Rusty Greer
    OF Juan Gonzalez
    SS Alex Rodriguez
    DH Rafael Palmiero
    1B Mark Teixeira
    3B Buddy Bell
    C Pudge Rodriguez
    2B Ian Kinsler

    SP Fergie Jenkins
    SP Nolan Ryan
    SP Bert Blyleven
    SP Charlie Hough
    SP Kevin Brown

    RP Jeff Zimmerman
    RP Francisco Cordero
    RP Akinori Otsuka
    RP John Wettland
    CL Jim Kern

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    that's great. i'm gonna go ahead and cast a shadow of doubt on Biggio, Berkman, and Alou while I'm at it.

    Now it's 5 Astros and 3 Rangers. Rangers are less roided up now. Sweet.
    alou probably only took supplements so pissing on his hands would be more effective.

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    Not bad, mine would be.

    OF Jeff Burroughs
    OF Rusty Greer
    OF Juan Gonzalez
    SS Alex Rodriguez
    DH Rafael Palmiero
    1B Mark Teixeira
    3B Buddy Bell
    C Pudge Rodriguez
    2B Ian Kinsler

    SP Fergie Jenkins
    SP Nolan Ryan
    SP Bert Blyleven
    SP Charlie Hough
    SP Kevin Brown

    RP Jeff Zimmerman
    RP Francisco Cordero
    RP Akinori Otsuka
    RP John Wettland
    CL Jim Kern
    Are you the FirebatM3 who posts at Lone Star Ball?

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    Are you the FirebatM3 who posts at Lone Star Ball?
    Yep a Rangers/Spurs fan.

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    Yep a Rangers/Spurs fan.
    Cool, I had no idea there was another Spurs fans there. Sometimes I feel lost amidst names like "the dirkatron" and anything with a variation of the number 41 in it. Good to know there are other Rangers/Spurs fans out there.

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