LMAO right.
That's why Dan Marino >>> Joe Montana, right? Cuz winning means nothing
I agree with you, but if you look at in reverse,
Trent Dilfer>>>>>>>Dan Marino.
The donkeys barely beat a banged up and later emotionally drained Bills who aren't that good. When I see Cutler I think Drew Brees. That is good, and that is bad.
The ans go into the donkey's house for Monday Night Football around week 7 so we shall see, we shall see.
Jaguars > Bills
Cutler's Team >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Young's Team
Young > Cutler
That's completely twisting the point. We are comparing great quarterbacks. Not a POS that got carried to a championship, to a HOF quarterback that just couldn't find a way to get it done in the playoffs.
I know it's twisting the point, see where I said "if you look at it in reverse"?
It's week one of the season.
All of those things still remain to be seen.
Football is a team sport. Just looking at win loss records to judge a quarterbacks effectiveness is total bull . I think that my example clearly illustrated that. Just because the ans kicker can make a last minute field goal and the Cardinal's kicker can't doesn't mean that Vince Young > Matt Leinart.LMAO right.
That's why Dan Marino >>> Joe Montana, right? Cuz winning means nothing
No, but Matt Leinart being slow as and still not able to throw a decent ball makes VY > Matt Leinart. The FACT that VY is a leader and gets the best out of his team while Leinart's teams constantly underperform while he is QB makes VY>>>>>>>Matt Leinart.
Well, it's not total bull since the QB is always considered the most important man on the field, but it really isn't all that good of a measure without knowing the context of those wins as well.
I mean, Quincy Carter had a decent winning percentage, and I doubt many people would argue he's anywhere near a decent quarterback (I believe he semi-recently got cut from an arena league team and couldn't cut it in the CFL either).
More to the point, Jake Plummer.
His winning percentage in Denver was higher then Elway.
So........Plumer>>>>Elway?
didn't he very recently marry a bronco cheerleader?
So if VY gets all the credit for the ans playing good D and their RBs having a great game, does he get all the blame when the D is a sieve, his RBs fumble 3 times and say his K shanks a potential game-winning FG?
The guy didn't do in about half of the wins credited to him thus far as an NFL QB. He has the potential to be a very good QB in the NFL, but as it is right now, he is horrible throwing the ball. Flat out horrible.
I know, I know. He just wins.
Single-handedly.
I don't know, but when I was in college, I nailed a Broncos cheerleader.
Yeah USC constantly underperformed under Matt Leinart. The homerism is blinding.
I think that both Matt and Vince are pretty much equal in that they both have completely different styles of play, but are natural leaders who are destined for s om. I'll wait to decide who is better three years down the road.
In case you haven't noticed this isn't USC or the NCAA anymore. Leinart doesn't have the nations top recruits with him to either beat up on lesser equipped teams or still get his ass handed to him by a VY team. Even that hack John David Booty can win with the talent USC puts on the field.Yeah USC constantly underperformed under Matt Leinart
I think that both Matt and Vince are pretty much equal in that they both have completely different styles of play, but are natural leaders who are destined for s om. I'll wait to decide who is better three years down the road.
Here, I'll make this simple for you. So far in their NFL careers, VY has shown that he is a leader and gets the best out of his team (a team that is very limited compared to others in their conference) while Leinart has yet to show that he can lead his teams to consistent play in his comparably far weaker conference. Sure there were a couple of games where the FG kicker decided, but the fact remains that Leinart and his team put themselves in a position to lose a game without the FG against decent compe ion and the guy missed the kicks. VY and his team put themselves in a situation for that one game where a FG was needed to win without overtime against the eventual NFL champions. The guy happened to make the kick.
When Leinart was coming into the league the knock on him was that he is immobile and doesn't throw a tight spiral. Those problems are becoming very evident in this league. He hasn't started his career off well at all.
How come Vince Young is the only quarterback in the league who's success is ONLY measured by Wins vs losses?
Every other QB has their number scrutinized week in and week out, but with VY it's always his teams record?
Jake Plummer has the highest winning percentage among all Broncos quarterbacks, does that mean he's better then Elway?
As far as I know, the only stat that the NFL keeps for individual wins is at the QB position. Didn't Favre just tie or pass that recently?
Judging a QB by wins and losses isn't fair, but it is done and not just for VY. Last year, the media had a boner for Romo because he was 6-2 as a starter before the wheels came off at the end of the year.
Tom Brady has never been a really big statistical marvel, but he gets all the pub as one of the best if not the best because he leads his teams to wins. He may not always put up great stats, but he leads his teams to wins. All QB are judged by wins more than anything else because if you don't win you won't be the QB there for long.
Alright, you guys. Both good answers.
I'll quit with my VY bashing for a while.
Well said.Tom Brady has never been a really big statistical marvel, but he gets all the pub as one of the best if not the best because he leads his teams to wins. He may not always put up great stats, but he leads his teams to wins. All QB are judged by wins more than anything else because if you don't win you won't be the QB there for long.
Football is, IMO, the ultimate team sport but a disproportionate amount of focus is put on the QB position. It's not right, but it is true.
Dude...bash away...that is your right.Alright, you guys. Both good answers.
I'll quit with my VY bashing for a while
Leinart's RB > Young's RB
Leinart's WR's >>>>> Young's WR'S
Leinart's Defense = Young's defense
Leinart's Record < Young's Record
Young >>> Leinart
jew a hater.
VY does a lot of damage and puts a lot of pressure on teams with his feet. Also, he makes clutch throws that win games.
He's completing 63% of his passes and is running for almost 5 yards a carry.
Plus, his team believes in him!
what the are you talking about?
Peyton Manning put up incredible numbers, but most people wouldn't consider him as the #1 QB in the league over Brady, BECAUSE he couldn't win a big game.
On the other hand, Brady didn't put up numbers like guys like Manning or Palmer, but because he won so many games and showed up in the big games, he was always considered the best.
No one considers Marc Bulger a top QB. He lately has put up some nice numbers, but his team doesn't ever really do much.
Big Ben isn't really an elite QB either. He puts up decent numbers, and got a ring, but when people watch him, they see that he really isn't as productive as he seems, and rides a very talented team more than leading a talented team.
There are reasons people say what they do. You have to watch the games, to understand what it is, that makes players like VY or Tom Brady (who doesn't put up eye-opening stats like Manning or Palmer, but gets wins) special.
EDIT: I didn't see that a couple others already had posted similar answers to what I said. But oh well. Read it again.
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