Apparently, there's no Gay In the Military Either

[George Gervin's Afro]

I can understand why you would punish a gay soldier for making sexual advances toward another male soldier--it's very inappropriate, regardless of sexual preference, gender, etc. Just like it's inappropriate for a male heterosexual soldier to make advances toward a female soldier.

But this don't ask, don't tell policy is ing insane. Why should a gay person be punished for announcing he's gay, when he's made no extra effort to make other soldiers uncomfortable, has kept the snake in the basket, and committed no act of sexual harassment? This guy puts his life on the line, but you're going to kick him out of the military for telling someone else that he's gay?

Being openly gay does not = sexual harassment. Sexual harassment = sexual harassment.

If you're uncomfortable fighting along side a gay man, or sharing quarters with him, or the idea of him seeing you naked... then you have certain insecurities that you need to deal with. It's the 21st century, phobia should be unacceptable.


And I absolutely hate the God argument. Maybe because I'm an atheist, but I really can't take you seriously if you use God's morals to decide national policy.

Believe it or not I have worked with women over 20 yrs and I have never made one feel uncomfortable...

well I take that back, there was one time..

[Wild Cobra]

I like how everyone refuses to address the common shower and sleeping facilities.

Oh well, guess you know I'm right, and just will not admit it. Remember, I placed the 'advancement' in the shower scene.

[ChumpDumper]

I like how everyone refuses to address the common shower and sleeping facilities.

You've already shared them with a sexual and he didn't get an erection. Now I suppose you want to beat him down for not finding you attractive.

[clambake]

I like how everyone refuses to address the common shower and sleeping facilities.

you are a ing moron. have you ever heard of a dorm? have you ever been around women or gay people that didn't think you're a ing moron? have you ever been anywhere in the presence of men and women? have you always been a social outcast? have you always been incapable of behaving yourself? have you always lived in fear?

[Wild Cobra]

you are a ing moron. have you ever heard of a dorm?

In a college situation, people do not have to live in dorms. You can select a fraternity, live off campus, or even at home like my daughter who goes to Portland State University. In the military, you have no choice. On deployments, basic training and your job field school, and on base unless you are authorized to live off-base, you share common facilities. There is no option like in college. In college, you can even pick you dorm co-occupant. At least in the past.

When I was in basic training, we had about 60 people in the same large room. When I was in AIT, we had 8 people per room. In my first assignment, I only shared a room with one other person, but I was on an Air Force base. The Army base I was assigned out of had four people per room.

How about learning the facts before making such ignorant statements?

Again, what about women. Would you expect women to share the same sleeping quarters and shower rooms with men at the same time? When this is also on the table, we can discuss heterosexuals being forced to share the same facilities with gays.

have you ever been around women or gay people that didn't think you're a ing moron? have you ever been anywhere in the presence of men and women? have you always been a social outcast? have you always been incapable of behaving yourself? have you always lived in fear?

My God. You are focusing on one small possibility and relating it to me when I am pointing out the things that do in fact happen, even though they are in small numbers.

Time place and manner restrictions. You cannot force strait people who are uncomfortable about sharing facilities with gays any more than you can force women to share the facilities with men. Focus on that concept. Tell me why we should force women to be naked with men. It’s an equivalent comfort level.

[clambake]

i don't care what work related or life related situation you're blaming your focus on. the problem is confined inside your skull.

[Wild Cobra]

i don't care what work related or life related situation you're blaming your focus on. the problem is confined inside your skull.

Typical.

Resort to name-calling and putting people down when you have no answer.

What about women sharing accommodations with men while naked?

That's right, You have no answer.

[ChumpDumper]

Forced coed nudist colonies for all.

[ChumpDumper]

Someone ask Wild Cobra just how attractive he is to sexuals.

[clambake]

he has too many phobia's to count